Kicking the ball dead from 40 - 50 metres and gaining an advantage.



Watching the Quinns v Hull game tonight Quinns about five times just kicked the ball dead when "attacking" from 50 metres.



Hull then had to get all their players behind the 20 metre line, while Quinns only had to get to the 30 metre.



It was a reward for a poor kick "Great tactics according to Stevo"





IMO it should be an optional restart either from the place the ball was kicked or the 20 metre line.

Agree Brian. That was boring, boring.

Should be a re-start from where the ball was kicked or maybe the half way line. That would put a stop to it and also kicking on the 5th when only 10 mtrs from the line.

In a way though he's right..as you said yourself Qunnis gained an advantage.



I do agree however with the point your making.

so the rules are there and a coach shows some initiative by exploiting them and instead of praise, thee are calls for the rules to be changed.

fair play to quins i say. similarly huddersfield have played a certain way this season which has slowed the game down and stopped (most) teams playing their normal game.

maybe it's time for coaches (e.g. agar, noble) to come up with a plan b.

I agree



If you cant work it out work around it.If your plans and tactics wont work against theres then you need to adapt and over come. like you said plan B.

something we sadly dont seem to have

Exactly





It seems adapting to a teams game plan that knocks us off ours is something this team cant do..and i for one dont believe its because of lack of talent.

But why should negative play be rewarded.



The 40:20 was a great idea as it rewarded a GOOD kick. This is rewarding a poor kick.

I understand what your saying



Maybe the rule should be.Instead of the 20 metre tap it should be were the kick happened. unless its kicked less than the 20 metre line..then it can start from there.



But i'm not really against a team using a ruling in there favour to get the advantage.

Why not go the whole hog and introduce Flankers, Line Outs and begin excluding those less privellaged than ourselves and call our game Rugby Union?



That particular rule is fine as it is, IMO. If you're really smart, you'd drop you fullback wayyy back to return the ball. Perhaps on the try line, and have a halfback or a winger just 'bobbying' behind the line, say 10-15 metres to cover a crafty chip.



Clever tactics by McDermott, well executed by Orr and Randall, who in my opinion has the best rugby brain in the league - the manner in which he targeted Thorman and sent runners directly at him, forcing him to make four or five consecutive tackles, then putting in the kick behind him, turning him and that channel around was a breath of fresh air. All too often, I find myself screaming for teams to target a spot player in the opposition.

I don't see an issue with this. If it was that effective, every club would do it week in week out, but they don't. Plenty of clubs lookfor the bigger advantage which is keeping the ball in.



All Quins were doing was playing the percentages, but this tactic is less effective than having a good kick which ends up around the goal line. The downside to this though is that your defensive line has to work hard.



Th tactic can be used effectively, however a decent team would not then allow themselves to be penned in. In a set of 6, you should be making 50m. This then allows you to get a good kick in and you should be able to pen the opposition in their own 10. It is up to you to stop these tactics being effective, and Hull were simply icompetent tonight.

Some people hate the 40 20 rule as they say it doesn't reward a good defence...