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| Under the CC win bonuses are not workable.
That's the end of the matter.
I stand by my comments.
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| Quote Wigan/Leeds Andy="Wigan/Leeds Andy"In the late 80s Wigan were budgeting on winning at Wembley ever year, when that stopped we were always up sh[ii[/ite creek without a paddle. Any book keeper with an AAT qualification would tell you what would happen, but we still did it. That is the main reason we got into the mess we did. While the stand was a contributing factor it was built on the ego of board members who stupidly thought we'd never stop winning.'"
I have to wonder about this, there's a photo in the JJB of a winning check for the league for £20k, how much was the winning purse for the CC at this time and how would not winning actually cost verses the cost of building a stand?
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| Ridiculous thread.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Under the CC win bonuses are not workable.
That's the end of the matter.
I stand by my comments.'"
They are easily workable. Very very easily.
Problem is some players would be on those types of contracts while other players would have legacy contracts not on the same basis until they were up for renewal.
But that would be the case regardless of the "CC".
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Two words that prevent that.
Communist and Cap.'"
I was thinking of Mimimum Wage 
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| Quote alanpdodd="alanpdodd"I have to wonder about this, there's a photo in the JJB of a winning check for the league for £20k, how much was the winning purse for the CC at this time and how would not winning actually cost verses the cost of building a stand?'"
Prize money is a drop in the ocean compared to the revenue generated by the commercial activities from getting to the cup final and cut of the Wembley gate receipts that finalists got in the past.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"They are easily workable. Very very easily.
Problem is some players would be on those types of contracts while other players would have legacy contracts not on the same basis until they were up for renewal.
But that would be the case regardless of the "CC".'"
Big teams such as ourselves struggle to keep within the CC without win bonuses.
How on earth are we supposed to attract talent whilst reserving a slice of the CC for win bonuses?
It's one of the major shortcomings of the CC - once a player signs a contract, he can essentially sit on his ar$e for 3 years or so.
There is very little a club can do to rectify this situation and remain competitive.
Still at least Huddersfield are second eh?
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Big teams such as ourselves struggle to keep within the CC without win bonuses.
How on earth are we supposed to attract talent whilst reserving a slice of the CC for win bonuses?
It's one of the major shortcomings of the CC - once a player signs a contract, he can essentially sit on his ar$e for 3 years or so.
There is very little a club can do to rectify this situation and remain competitive.
Still at least Huddersfield are second eh?'"
win bonuses are a cracking idea, but unworkable.
what player would sign a contract today where winning depended on him getting paid?
we could always bring in a club rule that any player deemed to not be pulling his weight on the field could be fined up to a weeks wages????
players might sign then if they knew their pay was in thier own hands and out of the hands of sub standard team mates
and if we fine em enough we might have enough to sign a decent prop 
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Under the CC win bonuses are not workable.
That's the end of the matter.
I stand by my comments.'"
They are not unworkable. They are just one more form of payment such as image rights etc that get added together to calculate a players salary cap value.
If a star player is signed on £150K a year it would be quite easy to say they were on £100K basic and the rest would accrue as a bonus if they played in a certain number of winning matches.
Dave
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"They are not unworkable. They are just one more form of payment such as image rights etc that get added together to calculate a players salary cap value.
If a star player is signed on £150K a year it would be quite easy to say they were on £100K basic and the rest would accrue as a bonus if they played in a certain number of winning matches.
Dave'"
Of course they are unworkable.
Team 1: "We will pay you £150k a year"
Team 2: "We will pay you £100k a year and potentially a bonus of £50k"
Which do you think the player would choose?
Tbh though the whole CC is pants anyway. I could give the club a workaround today that would enable them to skip around it, and there is nothing at all the RFL could do about it even if they found out.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Of course they are unworkable.'"
Some clubs do pay win bonuses. They are just that, a bonus.
My example was probably a poor one but it is quite easy to set aside a portion of the salary cap for win bonuses and pay them - when the team wins. £200K would allow around £500 per player per game (given no team wins all the lot!). A tidy sum.
Dave
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Some clubs do pay win bonuses. They are just that, a bonus.
My example was probably a poor one but it is quite easy to set aside a portion of the salary cap for win bonuses and pay them - when the team wins. £200K would allow around £500 per player per game (given no team wins all the lot!). A tidy sum.
Dave'"
Yes but you are missing the point.
That extra money could go to buying a player in the first place, or two or three...............
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