Quote ="Adeybull"Easy. Option 5. Before doing anything, identify the causes of the problems not just the symptoms. We can all see the symptoms, but the only people in a position to properly identify the causes are those very close to the problems. Answers like "its the coach's fault" are far too simplistic. If it transpires that the causes are indeed largely down to the coach (which may prove so, but I will admit to considerable doubts) then its at least option 3 - no brainer or even option 4 if the causes are that serious. If it transpires that the causes are a lot more complex, and are largely down to factors beyond the coach's control (which, worryingly, is what I am more concerned about) then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The issue then would be a whole lot more fundamental than replacing the coach. I'm sure that people close to the problems have a damn good idea what the causes are. And as I've said elsewhere, I'd love to hear Morro's and Beaver's honest take on it all. If coaching IS the issue, I'd expect activity to already be underway anyway. If. My biggest worry is that someone might take a decision to replace the coach because its that's easier than fixing the real causes, like Wigan used to ">do.'" BOOM! eusa_clap.gif" alt="eusa_clap.gif" title="CLAP" /> Got it in one. Do we honestly think that if Macca's coaching was that bad he'd still be in a job. I would suggest that there are things going on behind the scenes that most posters on here are unaware of. The fact there is no relegation may be a timely addition to SL for the Bulls and one season of underachievment may be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I do hope its just that Bradford are in a stage of "rebuilding" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="Adeybull"Easy. Option 5. Before doing anything, identify the causes of the problems not just the symptoms. We can all see the symptoms, but the only people in a position to properly identify the causes are those very close to the problems. Answers like "its the coach's fault" are far too simplistic. If it transpires that the causes are indeed largely down to the coach (which may prove so, but I will admit to considerable doubts) then its at least option 3 - no brainer or even option 4 if the causes are that serious. If it transpires that the causes are a lot more complex, and are largely down to factors beyond the coach's control (which, worryingly, is what I am more concerned about) then this poll would be about as helpful as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The issue then would be a whole lot more fundamental than replacing the coach. I'm sure that people close to the problems have a damn good idea what the causes are. And as I've said elsewhere, I'd love to hear Morro's and Beaver's honest take on it all. If coaching IS the issue, I'd expect activity to already be underway anyway. If. My biggest worry is that someone might take a decision to replace the coach because its that's easier than fixing the real causes, like Wigan used to ">do.'" BOOM! eusa_clap.gif" alt="eusa_clap.gif" title="CLAP" /> Got it in one. Do we honestly think that if Macca's coaching was that bad he'd still be in a job. I would suggest that there are things going on behind the scenes that most posters on here are unaware of. The fact there is no relegation may be a timely addition to SL for the Bulls and one season of underachievment may be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. I do hope its just that Bradford are in a stage of "rebuilding" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"A case for the defence only needs to be put if a person has been charged and put on trial. .'" I think somebody should put a case for the defence because at the moment it is awful. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"A case for the defence only needs to be put if a person has been charged and put on trial. .'" I think somebody should put a case for the defence because at the moment it is awful. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The problem is, that assumes you felt some need to "defend" the coach. Many people do not lay all the club's problems at his door, but rather think it is a combination of a wide range of factors. To mix some metaphors, s coach he may well ultimately carry the can, but for many people, if we were to have a trial, then the coach would be by no means the only person in the dock, and not at the front. A case for the defence only needs to be put if a person has been charged and put on trial. He may have been charged (even convicted) by some, but not everyone accepts either the validity of the charges, or the jurisdiction of the court. Such people are happy to discuss the fortunes of the club, the performance of the team, individual players, referees, whatever. Some may misinterpret this as being 'apologists for the coach' etc etc., but that is imho generally because they are blinkered, see everything in simplistic terms, and either do not see, or will not recognise, a wider ">picture.'" Fair enough. It is a valid discussion point and a fair assessment. Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"[size=75=orangePS The above is a pleasant, reasoned and logically argued post. It is not 'having a go', giving offence, seeking to upset, stir etc and does not contain any sarcasm, 'tone', or other 'between the lines' crap and anyone who reads anything else into it than what it says is a twa=white[/size[size=9.[/size[size=75=oranget and will not be responded ">to.[/size'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> brilliant!

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The problem is, that assumes you felt some need to "defend" the coach. Many people do not lay all the club's problems at his door, but rather think it is a combination of a wide range of factors. To mix some metaphors, s coach he may well ultimately carry the can, but for many people, if we were to have a trial, then the coach would be by no means the only person in the dock, and not at the front. A case for the defence only needs to be put if a person has been charged and put on trial. He may have been charged (even convicted) by some, but not everyone accepts either the validity of the charges, or the jurisdiction of the court. Such people are happy to discuss the fortunes of the club, the performance of the team, individual players, referees, whatever. Some may misinterpret this as being 'apologists for the coach' etc etc., but that is imho generally because they are blinkered, see everything in simplistic terms, and either do not see, or will not recognise, a wider ">picture.'" Fair enough. It is a valid discussion point and a fair assessment. Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"[size=75=orangePS The above is a pleasant, reasoned and logically argued post. It is not 'having a go', giving offence, seeking to upset, stir etc and does not contain any sarcasm, 'tone', or other 'between the lines' crap and anyone who reads anything else into it than what it says is a twa=white[/size[size=9.[/size[size=75=oranget and will not be responded ">to.[/size'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" /> brilliant!

Bradford are in a rut this season, and the biggest problem isn't the chairman or coach, it's Odsal. Yes I appreciate the ground doesn't lose games but crowds are falling so revenue streams are suffering.



Bradford Bulls, combined with a new stadium and a new approach to bring back the days of Bull mania, sounds chessy I know, would soon see the Bulls reclaim thier place at the top of the Super League. Thing is where would the funding come from for such a development at a time such as this?

Quote ="CHURCHILL"Bradford are in a rut this season, and the biggest problem isn't the chairman or coach, it's Odsal. Yes I appreciate the ground doesn't lose games but crowds are falling so revenue streams are suffering. Bradford Bulls, combined with a new stadium and a new approach to bring back the days of Bull mania, sounds chessy I know, would soon see the Bulls reclaim thier place at the top of the Super League. Thing is where would the funding come from for such a development at a time such as this?'" So in other words we are quite literally "in a hole" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="CHURCHILL"Bradford are in a rut this season, and the biggest problem isn't the chairman or coach, it's Odsal. Yes I appreciate the ground doesn't lose games but crowds are falling so revenue streams are suffering. Bradford Bulls, combined with a new stadium and a new approach to bring back the days of Bull mania, sounds chessy I know, would soon see the Bulls reclaim thier place at the top of the Super League. Thing is where would the funding come from for such a development at a time such as this?'" So in other words we are quite literally "in a hole" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />

Quote ="Wigan Bull"So in other words we are quite literally "in a hole" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />

Quote ="Wigan Bull"So in other words we are quite literally "in a hole" icon_biggrin.gif" alt="icon_biggrin.gif" title="Very Happy" />'" icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" title="Laughing" />