Quote ="kirkstaller"Many of those nominal Christians will also end up in Hell (Matthew 7:22). The other religionists will also go to Hell. And I'm sorry but none of us are 'good' when you compare us to God. Therefore, we all deserve Hell, including ">me.'" You know what? To date I have not [iinter alia[/i Commited genocide against almost every living thing on the planet Kill a man for not having sex with who I want him to have sex with Threatened eternal torture upon people who refuse to give me uncondtional love Call for people who eat the wrong things, wear clothes of mixed fabrics et cetera to be put to death Have my followers wipe out whole societies except for the virgins who my followers can keep for themselves Condone slavery Or condone putting unruley children to death I could go on but you probably get the gist. I'll admit to being far from perfect but, your god needs to be much further up the queue for Satan's red hot pokers than me.

Quote ="kirkstaller"Many of those nominal Christians will also end up in Hell (Matthew 7:22). The other religionists will also go to Hell. And I'm sorry but none of us are 'good' when you compare us to God. Therefore, we all deserve Hell, including ">me.'" You know what? To date I have not [iinter alia[/i Commited genocide against almost every living thing on the planet Kill a man for not having sex with who I want him to have sex with Threatened eternal torture upon people who refuse to give me uncondtional love Call for people who eat the wrong things, wear clothes of mixed fabrics et cetera to be put to death Have my followers wipe out whole societies except for the virgins who my followers can keep for themselves Condone slavery Or condone putting unruley children to death I could go on but you probably get the gist. I'll admit to being far from perfect but, your god needs to be much further up the queue for Satan's red hot pokers than me.

Quote ="sanjunien"now this is what faith is REALLY about www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne">www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/4728361/Triple-amputee-soldier-becomes-a-dad.html">www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... a-dad.html even better, his missus is from St Helens !'" So is he. Top bloke too.

Quote ="sanjunien"now this is what faith is REALLY about www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne">www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/4728361/Triple-amputee-soldier-becomes-a-dad.html">www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... a-dad.html even better, his missus is from St Helens !'" So is he. Top bloke too.

Quote ="wigan_rlfc"But the existance of Father Christmas can be easily disproved. Even the God of the militant athiests, Dawkins, could only say 'God probably doesn't exist' in his silly little bus ">campaign.'" And the existence of god cannot be proved. Just as the existence of fairies cannot be proved. Or the existence of a chocolate teapot on the far side of the sun. Quote ="wigan_rlfc"... I do like the idea of freedom of thought and doesn't religion come under that?'" Well indeed. Actually, this thread – and, indeed, the billboards – is about more than freedom of [ithought[/i. This is moving into the territory of freedom of speech. And if the religious have the right to speak out about their beliefs (which they do) then it is also 'freedom of speech' to have the opportunity to say it's a load of bunk. The problem is that [isome[/i religious people are not content with that. They want special treatment; they want others to be discriminated against on the basis of their beliefs – and indeed, they wish to be discriminated in favour of on the basis of the same beliefs. They want society run on the basis of their beliefs. They want political decisions made on the basis of their beliefs. It's also worth pointing out that some of 'the God squad', from across religious divides, would very much like to stop freedom of thought and speech. Some already do exactly that.

Quote ="wigan_rlfc"But the existance of Father Christmas can be easily disproved. Even the God of the militant athiests, Dawkins, could only say 'God probably doesn't exist' in his silly little bus ">campaign.'" And the existence of god cannot be proved. Just as the existence of fairies cannot be proved. Or the existence of a chocolate teapot on the far side of the sun. Quote ="wigan_rlfc"... I do like the idea of freedom of thought and doesn't religion come under that?'" Well indeed. Actually, this thread – and, indeed, the billboards – is about more than freedom of [ithought[/i. This is moving into the territory of freedom of speech. And if the religious have the right to speak out about their beliefs (which they do) then it is also 'freedom of speech' to have the opportunity to say it's a load of bunk. The problem is that [isome[/i religious people are not content with that. They want special treatment; they want others to be discriminated against on the basis of their beliefs – and indeed, they wish to be discriminated in favour of on the basis of the same beliefs. They want society run on the basis of their beliefs. They want political decisions made on the basis of their beliefs. It's also worth pointing out that some of 'the God squad', from across religious divides, would very much like to stop freedom of thought and speech. Some already do exactly that.

I trust everyone on this thread had a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of baby Jesus. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

I trust everyone on this thread had a wonderful Christmas celebrating the birth of baby Jesus. icon_wink.gif" alt="icon_wink.gif" title="Wink" />

Given that even the god squad don't believe Jesus was born on 25 December, but know that the church picked the date because peoples already held a lengthy festival at that time of year to mark the solstice etc ...



They possibly celebrated with Christmas trees – expressly forbidden in the [iBible[/i ([iJeremiah[/i 10) and even a Yule log, as in, err, Yule, the pre-Christian, northern European festival.

Quote ="Mintball"And the existence of god cannot be proved. Just as the existence of fairies cannot be proved. Or the existence of a chocolate teapot on the far side of the ">sun.'" No, we now have satellites observing the Sun from various angles, so can see around the back. Therefore the fact that to dat no chocolate teapot has been detected, seems reasonable enough proof to me. However, were I a religious bigot or religiously brainwahsed, none of the observations would make a scrap of difference. Because it might be an invisible teapot. Or the God of Chocolate Teapots may have decided against it being detectable by human-made equipment. Or the US government may be deliberately withholdng the discovery from the population so as not to create widespread panic. And indeed, I can't prove that any of those things are not true. And so, to what passes for the brain of a Chclate Teapotter, I am out of order stating definitively that there is no chocolate teapot, because I can't say there isn't, and the Chocolate Teapot Bible says there is, so who am I to argue with the word of the chocolate lord? Quote ="Mintball" The problem is that [isome[/i religious people are not content with that. They want special treatment; they want others to be discriminated against on the basis of their beliefs – and indeed, they wish to be discriminated in favour of on the basis of the same beliefs. They want society run on the basis of their beliefs. They want political decisions made on the basis of their beliefs. It's also worth pointing out that some of 'the God squad', from across religious divides, would very much like to stop freedom of thought and speech. Some already do exactly ">that.'" This, but more than "worth pointing out" I would urge people to heed the warning. A couple of decades ago, I wouldn't have belieged how far and how quickly a notionally 'advanced' country like the US could slip in terms of luntaic cults, barking sects and religious movements and general superstitious idiocy. It is very worrying just how quickly a brand new idiocy can actually take over seemingly intelligent and rational people. Eg scientology, Mormonism, death cults, to name but three, but there is hardy any shortage. And anyone who thinks the extremists of ANY religion, if they had power or positions of authority, would not seek to impose their insanity, then they are misguided. All would, if they could, and in many corners of the world, they already do, including the firm conviction that they have the power over life and death, let alone how you live your life.

Quote ="Mintball"And the existence of god cannot be proved. Just as the existence of fairies cannot be proved. Or the existence of a chocolate teapot on the far side of the ">sun.'" No, we now have satellites observing the Sun from various angles, so can see around the back. Therefore the fact that to dat no chocolate teapot has been detected, seems reasonable enough proof to me. However, were I a religious bigot or religiously brainwahsed, none of the observations would make a scrap of difference. Because it might be an invisible teapot. Or the God of Chocolate Teapots may have decided against it being detectable by human-made equipment. Or the US government may be deliberately withholdng the discovery from the population so as not to create widespread panic. And indeed, I can't prove that any of those things are not true. And so, to what passes for the brain of a Chclate Teapotter, I am out of order stating definitively that there is no chocolate teapot, because I can't say there isn't, and the Chocolate Teapot Bible says there is, so who am I to argue with the word of the chocolate lord? Quote ="Mintball" The problem is that [isome[/i religious people are not content with that. They want special treatment; they want others to be discriminated against on the basis of their beliefs – and indeed, they wish to be discriminated in favour of on the basis of the same beliefs. They want society run on the basis of their beliefs. They want political decisions made on the basis of their beliefs. It's also worth pointing out that some of 'the God squad', from across religious divides, would very much like to stop freedom of thought and speech. Some already do exactly ">that.'" This, but more than "worth pointing out" I would urge people to heed the warning. A couple of decades ago, I wouldn't have belieged how far and how quickly a notionally 'advanced' country like the US could slip in terms of luntaic cults, barking sects and religious movements and general superstitious idiocy. It is very worrying just how quickly a brand new idiocy can actually take over seemingly intelligent and rational people. Eg scientology, Mormonism, death cults, to name but three, but there is hardy any shortage. And anyone who thinks the extremists of ANY religion, if they had power or positions of authority, would not seek to impose their insanity, then they are misguided. All would, if they could, and in many corners of the world, they already do, including the firm conviction that they have the power over life and death, let alone how you live your life.