FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Wigan Warriors Legal Status JJB



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 78 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:42 pm 
International Board Member
Fringe Player
User avatar

Joined: Jan 05 2003
Posts: 777
Location: Not Shrewsbury anymore
Great work Donna! :CLAP:






Lie low the fields, of Central Park
Where once we watched the King Kenny Play
(and could he play)
We had Boston on the wing
We had dreams and songs to sing
Of the glory, round the Field of Central Park


//s47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/wiganbud/

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Legal Status JJB
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:41 pm 
Club Owner
Club Captain
User avatar

Joined: Feb 24 2004
Posts: 3019
Donna wrote:I have kept this separate from the other thread, to keep the focus on this aspect of the debate.

Update:

LAND REGISRTY

I spoke to the Land Registry this morning, and they have directed me to the relevant form to complete and send off, and have told me what I need to ask for. I will send off later today with the £6 admin fee.


COUNCIL

Very VERY helpful so far. I spoke to the Democratic Services department, who need to search their ledgers, for the dates when planning permission was discussed and passed for the JJB. When they have the relevant dates (which I have been promised will be today), they will copy the minutes for me, and I can go and pick them up/or they will post them. I should get them tomorrow at the latest.


FUNDING

Next steps for me today is to contact the relevant funding authorities. I think Sport England gave a grant. If anyone knows any different/any other, please let me know.


Mods, should we make this a sticky?


when you obtain the office copies from the land registry you need to request a copy of the registered lease from that title which should detail all wigan rl's leasehold interests in the JJB stadium. This can be done for a fee of £20

unfortunately though i dont think it will help or would have requested these myself.....I would expect there is a clause in the lease which lists that in the case of a conflict between wigan rl and wigan l@t1cs, the stadium managment company shall make the casting decision (ie. w@nk3r whelan). Therefore i suspect we are scupperd

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:44 am 
Club Owner
Fringe Player

Joined: Nov 21 2003
Posts: 620
Location: 6th Floor Window of the School Book Depository, Elm St, Dallas.
We KNOW that clause is in the lease.
It was the only thing they did agree on last week.

The point is this - and there is always the chance that something may be discovered that makes a difference, no matter how unlikely - The key word to this are...

"CLASH OF FIXTURES"

It would seem that the power Mr. Whelan has is that he gets to decide if there is a clash before he has the power to decide we can't play.
Who knows maybe somewhere buried in the minutes of a council meeting this may just have been brought up and discussed.
They might even have had the sence to have decided just what a fixture clash was going to be defined as.

You see, to me and to the vast majority of people, Friday night is not Saturday afternoon. THERE WAS NO FIXTURE CLASH.

If someone turns up something where this has been discussed we might have something to challenge. But as for the rest of it I can't se what difference it would make.
Keep digging and prove me wrong - PLEASE!

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:40 am 
Club Coach
International Star

Joined: Feb 14 2005
Posts: 7439
What exactly are you doing this for? (Not being critical)

Is it to see if Wigan Warriors could (if we wanted too) have our own stadium? Or to see if Dave "W*nker" Whelan was going against the ground-sharing agreement when he evicted us to Widnes?

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:42 am 
Club Coach
International Star

Joined: Feb 14 2005
Posts: 7439
Parsifal wrote:We KNOW that clause is in the lease.
It was the only thing they did agree on last week.

The point is this - and there is always the chance that something may be discovered that makes a difference, no matter how unlikely - The key word to this are...

"CLASH OF FIXTURES"

It would seem that the power Mr. Whelan has is that he gets to decide if there is a clash before he has the power to decide we can't play.
Who knows maybe somewhere buried in the minutes of a council meeting this may just have been brought up and discussed.
They might even have had the sence to have decided just what a fixture clash was going to be defined as.

You see, to me and to the vast majority of people, Friday night is not Saturday afternoon. THERE WAS NO FIXTURE CLASH.

If someone turns up something where this has been discussed we might have something to challenge. But as for the rest of it I can't se what difference it would make.
Keep digging and prove me wrong - PLEASE!


Which is what the Premier League and the RFL work together on to avoid having Premiership and RL, or any other sport for that matter, matches being played on the same day at the same venue.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:38 am 
International Board Member
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2003
Posts: 9982
100% Warrior wrote:What exactly are you doing this for? (Not being critical)

Is it to see if Wigan Warriors could (if we wanted too) have our own stadium? Or to see if Dave "W*nker" Whelan was going against the ground-sharing agreement when he evicted us to Widnes?


So we have all the facts. So we know EXACTLY what the status of the ground share is , and what is conditional upon it.

Only when we have all the information can we establish the what nexts...






Newsnight 13th May 2010: "With the role of Deputy Prime Minister a non-job. Has Nick Clegg gone from King Maker to tea maker????"



I kept the faith and I kept voting
Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it
And mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory
Mine is the green field and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers
And mine is the peace we knew
Between the wars

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:09 pm 
International Board Member
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 10 2003
Posts: 6975
Parsifal wrote:We KNOW that clause is in the lease.
It was the only thing they did agree on last week.


This search has nothing to do with the clause in the lease. This is to do with the premise that planning permission was granted on and whether the lease itself and the interpretation of the lease reflects that premise.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:14 pm 
Club Owner
Fringe Player

Joined: Nov 21 2003
Posts: 620
Location: 6th Floor Window of the School Book Depository, Elm St, Dallas.
I hope something of use is turned up but I just can't see it.
Remember it was going ahead without us.
Presumably he was using Orrell at the time to fulfill his joint use premise.
the only relevant thing to our future use of the stadium is that clause I would have thought. It is what gives the stadium management company i.e. Whelan his power.

If something turns up great.
I am not knocking the effort or the sentiment behind it.

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:25 pm 
Club Coach
International Star

Joined: Feb 14 2005
Posts: 7439
Donna wrote:So we have all the facts. So we know EXACTLY what the status of the ground share is , and what is conditional upon it.

Only when we have all the information can we establish the what nexts...


Right, now I understand.

I just hope this quest answers questions rather than causes them.

Good Luck :thumb:

Top
   
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:33 pm 
International Board Member
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2003
Posts: 9982
Ok, I have had the planning meeting minutes, at which the Stadium was approved.

The application was made by Alfred McAlpine Special Projects, and Whelco II Ltd, and was approved on 4/11/1997.

There is nothing of any relevance in there. In fact there is no reference at all to football or rugby.

Awaiting the other information requested.

I will scan the doc tomorrow, so if anyone wants a copy, PM me.






Newsnight 13th May 2010: "With the role of Deputy Prime Minister a non-job. Has Nick Clegg gone from King Maker to tea maker????"



I kept the faith and I kept voting
Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it
And mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory
Mine is the green field and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers
And mine is the peace we knew
Between the wars

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 78 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next





It is currently Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:42 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 1872_WiganRLFC, Alffi_7, BoredWiganer, CyberPieMan, ksm1701, LewCharnock, Mark_P1973, tyr and 378 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:42 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
10m
Film game
Boss Hog
5752
11m
How many games will we win
alegend
41
30m
2025 Recruitment
paulwalker71
205
31m
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
38m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hullrealist
4047
47m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
Recent
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
192
Recent
Rumours and signings v9
apollosghost
28901
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
Recent
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
27s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2607
31s
2025 Recruitment
paulwalker71
205
37s
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
59s
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
1m
Salford
Wires71
53
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
2m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
2m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
21
3m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
alegend
41
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
10m
Film game
Boss Hog
5752
11m
How many games will we win
alegend
41
30m
2025 Recruitment
paulwalker71
205
31m
Salford placed in special measures
poplar cats
111
38m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hullrealist
4047
47m
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
Recent
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
192
Recent
Rumours and signings v9
apollosghost
28901
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40800
Recent
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
27s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2607
31s
2025 Recruitment
paulwalker71
205
37s
Pre Season - 2025
Hullrealist
191
59s
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
1m
Salford
Wires71
53
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63266
2m
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
2m
Planning for next season
Bent&Bon
184
3m
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
MjM
21
3m
New Kit
matt_wire
69
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
TODAY
Salary Cap Changes Blocked - 11 votes to 1
SFW
7
TODAY
Fixtures 2025
paulwalker71
8
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
batleyrhino
5
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
alegend
41
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
Wires71
53
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.