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| Quote IR80="IR80"Hudgell isn't worth as much as people seem to think. and the Council have reneged on the sale of CP as far as I know)'"
They may have reneged but the point being he has this sort of free cash kicking around anyway to easily repurpose to cover wage costs etc, making them much better placed to weather the storm/avoid furloughing and wage cuts etc.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"They may have reneged but the point being he has this sort of free cash kicking around anyway to easily repurpose to cover wage costs etc, making them much better placed to weather the storm/avoid furloughing and wage cuts etc.'"
You know for a fact he has money in cash reserves...?
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| Quote IR80="IR80"You know for a fact he has money in cash reserves...?'"
She knows full well that Rovers are in the same precarious position as every other club in rugby league.
At a time when we are all supporting each other in this city and Robins/Airlie Birds are stood alongside each other each Thursday applauding our key workers, she seeks to divide us.
New low in my opinion and probably highlights that she doesn't live in our great city and appreciate that despite the banter we all want each others club to come out of the other side of this.
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| Quote R.B.A="R.B.A"She knows full well that Rovers are in the same precarious position as every other club in rugby league.
At a time when we are all supporting each other in this city and Robins/Airlie Birds are stood alongside each other each Thursday applauding our key workers, she seeks to divide us.
New low in my opinion and probably highlights that she doesn't live in our great city and appreciate that despite the banter we all want each others club to come out of the other side of this.'"
Sanctimonious conjecture and unnecessarily personal. Bringing support for key workers into it? Seriously?
This is a thread about Hull FC's survival. Clubs with wealthy backers are better insulated than those without. I listed half a dozen clubs in this bracket and was then [uasked[/u a specific question about your club, and referenced that your chairman a few weeks ago had the necessary financing to pay a million for the ground; Pearson said ages ago that in relative terms to Hudgell he is a financial pauper. What I'm saying is that in relative terms the personal wealth of your owner provides a buffer we don't have, in the same way the likes of Moran will likely be able to shield Warrington, and to a greater extent. It's a fact that some clubs will have assets to leverage (eg ground ownership), and/or wealthy backers and will therefore be at lower risk. Hull FC are facing the reality of this right now and are at severe financial risk.because we have neither. Please don't make this about me, where I live, and fabricate some divisional agenda. It's untrue and unnecessary in addition to derailing the thread.
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| Quote R.B.A="R.B.A"She knows full well that Rovers are in the same precarious position as every other club in rugby league.
At a time when we are all supporting each other in this city and Robins/Airlie Birds are stood alongside each other each Thursday applauding our key workers, she seeks to divide us.
New low in my opinion and probably highlights that she doesn't live in our great city and appreciate that despite the banter we all want each others club to come out of the other side of this.'"
Have to agree R.B.A, it does seem rediculous to be even trying to bring KR into a thread about the fragility of FC. Like many, I have questioned Mrs B's motives in the past, this latest 'contribution' just reinforces my suspicions. I question when she posts the word "we", her little rant shows true colours, calling out anyone for derailing is lughable from her.
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| Quote IR80="IR80"Have to agree R.B.A, it does seem rediculous to be even trying to bring KR into a thread about the fragility of FC. '"
Just for clarity, this was my post highlighting 7 clubs (maybe Catalans as well in hindsight) replying to Isiah's post:
Quote IR80="Mrs Barista"Exactly this. Our only "assets" are player contracts still to run but in the current environment I doubt these will be worth much to sell. As you allude to the Big 4 have multimillionaire backers as do Huddersfield, Rovers, Toronto so they have a buffer we don't. Very worrying.'"
And here is the post bringing KR specifically into it that I subsequently replied to:
Quote IR80="HFC Boy"Who is Rovers big backer ?'"
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| I'm trying not to be 'sanctimonious' here, but please stop arguing about the morale high ground for there isn't any in the situation we all find ourselves in at present. For me, Points scoring is pointless for every team is in crisis. One owner has more money than another, one club is more likely to survive that another; it may not matter a jot if we have no game left at the end of all this. Can anyone see the majority of clubs surviving until 2021 without any income coming in from gates etc because I don't think I can. It's like those idiots still trying to score political points in the Sunday papers out of what is the biggest health crisis this country has faced in a century, when at present its all really just about coming together and saving lives.
In Life and indeed sport it's time for everyone to stand together, to stay safe and to safeguard those we love and to cherish the things that mean the most to us. We should be applauding the NHS, we should be applauding everyone who is staying at home and everyone who is volunteering. Plus in our small corner of the sporting world if we have any clapping left, we should be applauding all the staff and players at the Rugby League Club that is so dear to all of us for the way that they have reacted to the situation they find themselves in as well. Because, for the time being at least, they have probably given us the best chance there is of Hull FC surviving.
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"I'm trying not to be 'sanctimonious' here, but please stop arguing about the morale hit ground for there isn't any in the situation we all find ourselves in at present. For me, Points scoring is pointless for every team is in crisis. One owner has more money than another, one club is more likely to survive that another; it may not matter a jot if we have no game left at the end of all this. Can anyone see the majority of clubs surviving until 2021 without any income coming in from gates etc because I don't think I can. It's like those idiots still trying to score political points in the Sunday papers out of what is the biggest health crisis this country has faced in a century, when at present its all really just about coming together and saving lives.
In Life and indeed sport it's time for everyone to stand together, to stay safe and to safeguard those we love and to cherish the things that mean the most to us. We should be applauding the NHS, we should be applauding everyone who is staying at home and everyone who is volunteering. Plus in our small corner of the sporting world if we have any clapping left, we should be applauding all the staff and players at the Rugby League Club that is so dear to all of us for the way that they have reacted to the situation they find themselves in as well. For, for the time being at least, they have probably given us the best chance there is Hull FC surviving.'"
Completely agree. I think the club are doing a great job by the way in terms of keeping good content coming, classic match replays on Facebook etc. Anything we can be doing to buy merchandise etc should be done, and I do think we could put in place something like a financial support scheme to contribute e.g. putting in what we would have spent on awaydays, match tickets etc into a fund to help the club. I really hope they are looking seriously at this. Things are really grim, but one thing we do have is a big fanbase that can help - we need a practical mechanism to do so IMO.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"They may have reneged but the point being he has this sort of free cash kicking around anyway to easily repurpose to cover wage costs etc, making them much better placed to weather the storm/avoid furloughing and wage cuts etc.'"
Avoid furloughing ? They have furloughed all players and staff.
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| From a Rovers perspective, while it is clearly good that we have a benefactor, the problem is that we are reliant on him to an unhealthy degree - and that is just to limp along at the bottom end of SL in recent times. On top of that, we’re effectively subsidized by another of his businesses that, like nearly all businesses, is probably taking a hit and will require even more of his attention than normal.
It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"From a Rovers perspective, while it is clearly good that we have a benefactor, the problem is that we are reliant on him to an unhealthy degree - and that is just to limp along at the bottom end of SL in recent times. On top of that, we’re effectively subsidized by another of his businesses that, like nearly all businesses, is probably taking a hit and will require even more of his attention than normal.
It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.'"
Hard times ahead for both Clubs .
RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ?
Or even merge ?
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.'"
Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.
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