gotta agree our defensive line was like a dogs hind leg.

Offensiveley, we're very poor. Speed of the PTB is generally slow, and most of our players seem to struggle to pass the ball quickly and accurately. In the last 2 games we've struggled to make as many yards as the opposition with ball in hand.



Defensively, we were doing well early in the season but since the Huddersfield game we've gone backwards. I think it's down to fatigue from the props and 2nd rowers who are playing far too many minutes - which other team expects 2 props to do 65+ minutes each and their 2nd rowers to play the full match? It just looks too easy to make metres against us, putting us under unnecessary pressure.



We just look like the same team who were coached by sharp and I don't see it improving

Got to agree about PTB, why are we so slow?we'll never get a penalty for 'lying on' we seem to be happy to get up slowly, and when we're near oppositions line i'm not as confident about us scoring, yet when the opposition are nr our line i always feel they'll score.

It's hard to disagree with any of that really.

Hard to disagree with any of that TBH.

Can you somehow post it to our coaching staff,?

I think we have made a great start to the season so don't want to be to critical, but do agree that things have slipped in the last two games.



What surprises me is that people are shocked that we look like the same team that was coached by Sharp, what people have to remember is Sharp was probably calling the shots but Agar will have done a lot of the day to day coaching. So no wonder much hasn't changed.



IMO the only short term solution is probably for agar to allow more input from J Sharp.



By the way I am not calling for Agar to go, but he needs to look to a more expansive game we are way too predictable.

Did I just see "Jon Sharp" and "expansive game" in the same sentence.



There is no surprse that Hudderfield are playing good rugby, they now have a cracking coach.

I was not saying J Sharp would play an expansive game and yes Hudds are now playing great rugby under Brown.



All I am saying is to try and change things quickly input other than that of Agar has to come from somewhere. In some ways that is probably Hull's problem both Agar and Sharp are to similar in coaching style.



I do remember Huddersfield under Sharp almost putting us out of the playoffs in 2007 by moving the ball through numerous hands each tackle, it was probably that big tackle by Carvell that changed the game.

We have the ability to play decent stuff but it never seems to be a priority with us. We seem to prefer to just try and grind a win out. After a positive start to the season we actually played some good stuff and scored some good inventive trys. We just seem to have gone away from that and tried to keep it tight which isn't working now as the pack are tired. I do think the conditions played a part on Saturday night but we should still have been better.

I thought on Saturday our biggest problem was Berrigan and then Houghton, both were shocking and that is where Quins won the game. We had no direction, speed or decent service from dummy half and the Quins did through Randall. Also we looked too slow in the forwards whereas Quins had far mroe mobility.

Got to agree. Berrigans passing was really poor in particular.