what is that at end of your sentence, just a block on my screen - is it in flash?

On Collis, this is a very good signing, he's a good centre, better than both Vellars and Murphy and at 25 is the right age for us, he's already an established NRL centre and he should be at the top of his game at his age as long as fit. I'm very happy with this appointment especially as I can still see Hudds making a move for Murphy after they gifted him a little sweetener before the franchise announcement

Vasty are u thinking of isaac luke? John is a young half that plays mainly for auckland vulcans but has played a few for the warriors

Offered him a deal by all accounts... whether he is mulling over it i dont know...

To be honest you strike me as one of those who wouldn't be happy unless you'd picked the team and coached it yourself. You just moan.



TRB had it spot on, Agar as did Kear knows our place in the food chain. It's actually the case that so few quality players want to join us that it's foolish to turn down one who will, be realistic for once. As for the 5 games in the last 25, shall we bin Murphy because he hasn't played of late, give over. The strength of depth in the Aussie game often means that a perfectly good player misses out on a first team spot because a marginally better player has the spot - do you not understand the principle? Why by the way would he need any improvement, with 100+ NRL games he's already light years ahead of what we have. As for the juniors, having a strong and mature first team does not stop good youngsters making it, that's a pure myth - so long as they get their chance then there is no issue. I really struggle with your logic.

Yep. Although he's a bit down the pecking order there so maybe could get a release.

Yes, now you see why I would have been surprised. Got you now.

Lautiti is a fantastic player when fit, and could be really good for us - fantastic in fact if we can get him on the park. Really looking forward to seeing him play.



You're not bothered who plays for us then thats fair enough - its your perogative to have that view and your entitled to it, you pays your money and you takes your chance. Thing is though, the RFL want clubs in the league who do their bit to develop players for the good of the game and if you aren't bothered if we pack the side with imports or not then you forefeit the right to moan when the RFL look for other reasons to get shut of us because we dont bring players through.



As I said, imports should be restricted to either those young enough to make it big (Henry Paul style) or special like Solomona or Lautiti and if there isnt enough of them or we cant get them then we should, in my opinion, look closer to home.

Quote gowerthegroap="gowerthegroap"Re Isaac John, hasn't he just signed another year with NZ Warriors?'" Tongan second rower Ukuma Ta'ai (24), who has played 36 NRL matches, and nine-game halfback-standoff Isaac John (22) will be with the Vodafone Warriors again in 2012 www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=39635

Quote gowerthegroap="gowerthegroap"Re Isaac John, hasn't he just signed another year with NZ Warriors?'" Tongan second rower Ukuma Ta'ai (24), who has played 36 NRL matches, and nine-game halfback-standoff Isaac John (22) will be with the Vodafone Warriors again in 2012 www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=39635

Did you not bother to read the post that praised the signings? I don't moan all the time at all.







Also seem to remember on another similar thread you saying that if we can't get home grown players in non pivotal positions we might as well give it up as a bad job?

Quote vastman="vastman"I totally agree. For me the key positions for overseas players are props because all clubs need at least 5 and not many manage that from home grown. The others are 6,7 and 9 again because you generally need at least 2 of each and they are all specialists. The only other positions I'd consider are F/B and L/F and they would need to be exceptional. What is a total admission of defeat is signing S/R, Centres and wingers. If as a nation let alone as a club we can't produce enough players in those more utility positions then I suggest we call it a day for RL in this country.'" viewtopic.php?f=33&t=502996&p=16339449#p16339449

Quote vastman="vastman"I totally agree. For me the key positions for overseas players are props because all clubs need at least 5 and not many manage that from home grown. The others are 6,7 and 9 again because you generally need at least 2 of each and they are all specialists. The only other positions I'd consider are F/B and L/F and they would need to be exceptional. What is a total admission of defeat is signing S/R, Centres and wingers. If as a nation let alone as a club we can't produce enough players in those more utility positions then I suggest we call it a day for RL in this country.'" viewtopic.php?f=33&t=502996&p=16339449#p16339449

and who is to say he isn't? People were wetting themselves over Daryl Millard before he came, and he joined us at a similar age and with only half the NRL games under his belt as Collis. I would take a 25 year old player who has a potential over a 32 year old liability like Wesser every day of the week. Is it wrong to wait until he has played a few games before dismissing him?