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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"3 games in a week and poor quality? pah........try 11 games in 34 days,.......10 wins and a draw.
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Sun 10 Mar Challenge Cup QF: Bradford Home Won 32-2
Wed 13 Mar Hull Home Won 34-12
Sun 17 Mar Rochdale Hornets Away Won 44-16
Sat 23 Mar Challenge Cup Semi Final: Oldham Bolton Won 30-16
Tue 26 Mar Warrington Away Won 26-8
Fri 29 Mar Featherstone Rovers Away Won 24-16
Mon 1 April Oldham Away Won 10-4
Thu 4 April St Helens Home Won 28-14
Sun 7 April Castleford Home Won 24-4
Tue 9 April Widnes Home Won 26-6
Thu 11 April Bradford Northern Home Draw 18-18
Sat 13 April Leeds Away Won 20-8 =blueTo win the Championship'"
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Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Yeah, we were ace:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 029891.stm
Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html
The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. Now the CC means each team can have no more than 2-3 WC / good players while the rest of each team are made up of mediocre poor to average players.
The result....yes a more competative league, but now in terms of the SL product the only top game that serves up any fayre is Saints V Leeds (probably due to the fact they have both circumvented the cap by using ofshore methods). The top games in SL used to be class matches, where skill, flare, fast running etc. came in droves. Any match between any two teams out of Bratfut, Wigan, Stains, Leeds, Wire, Hull etc. could almost always be guarenteed to be a classic.......Now there often pathetic games, most trys coming from errors of the less competent players, and often blow out scores to whichever one of the two teams is less 5h1t!! Look at wire v bratfut for a perfect example!!
Going back to that game I counted a total 16/17 WC players in both those line ups...compare that now between the two teams and your looking at 2/3 max!!
Yes more competitive the SL is, yet it has lost all its intensity and become a mediocre competition IMO. Those matches between the top 6 used to almost rival the intensity of the NRL....now the SL is little more intense than NL1. This years 4 nations will be even more embaressing as a result IMO!
The whole idea of the salary cap when it came in was supposed to stop teams going bust and also to improve the competition. What the CC has done though is dilute the competition massively.
What should have been done was to encourage the lesser teams to invest in acadamys, and increase their support in order to produce players of a better standard to match wigan, leeds, saints, bradford etc. and reinvest surplus monies in producing better talent, thus making the league rival the NRL for intesity and competitiveness.
What the RFL did in their infinate wisdom is rather than building from the bottom, they artificially stopped the top teams from getting stronger, and held them back to the levels of the lower clubs. THe result, a competitive but poor league - the spectacle has suffered, and with the CC in place not only is the standard of the league and players in decline, there is no incentive for any club to improve the situation, as you can compete in our poor shortsighted league on crowds of 4k and without any decent academy infrastructure, as teams like Harlequins / Huddersfield /Celtic and Wakefield are testiment to!!!
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Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Yeah, we were ace:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 029891.stm
Getting humped by 43 points by NZ on home turf with the likes of Scott Naylor in the centres, Wellens on the wing (speed demon!), Deacon at stand off, Tony Smith at hooker, Harvey Howard propping and, wait for it, Andy Hay and Darren Fleary on the bench.
That team would get obliterated by the best of 2009. Having said that, I agree that there's been some very poor games this year.
On the other hand, I think that some of the kids getting games in SL over the last few years are WAAAAAAY better than those we were seeing 8/9 years ago.'"
I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html
The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. Now the CC means each team can have no more than 2-3 WC / good players while the rest of each team are made up of mediocre poor to average players.
The result....yes a more competative league, but now in terms of the SL product the only top game that serves up any fayre is Saints V Leeds (probably due to the fact they have both circumvented the cap by using ofshore methods). The top games in SL used to be class matches, where skill, flare, fast running etc. came in droves. Any match between any two teams out of Bratfut, Wigan, Stains, Leeds, Wire, Hull etc. could almost always be guarenteed to be a classic.......Now there often pathetic games, most trys coming from errors of the less competent players, and often blow out scores to whichever one of the two teams is less 5h1t!! Look at wire v bratfut for a perfect example!!
Going back to that game I counted a total 16/17 WC players in both those line ups...compare that now between the two teams and your looking at 2/3 max!!
Yes more competitive the SL is, yet it has lost all its intensity and become a mediocre competition IMO. Those matches between the top 6 used to almost rival the intensity of the NRL....now the SL is little more intense than NL1. This years 4 nations will be even more embaressing as a result IMO!
The whole idea of the salary cap when it came in was supposed to stop teams going bust and also to improve the competition. What the CC has done though is dilute the competition massively.
What should have been done was to encourage the lesser teams to invest in acadamys, and increase their support in order to produce players of a better standard to match wigan, leeds, saints, bradford etc. and reinvest surplus monies in producing better talent, thus making the league rival the NRL for intesity and competitiveness.
What the RFL did in their infinate wisdom is rather than building from the bottom, they artificially stopped the top teams from getting stronger, and held them back to the levels of the lower clubs. THe result, a competitive but poor league - the spectacle has suffered, and with the CC in place not only is the standard of the league and players in decline, there is no incentive for any club to improve the situation, as you can compete in our poor shortsighted league on crowds of 4k and without any decent academy infrastructure, as teams like Harlequins / Huddersfield /Celtic and Wakefield are testiment to!!!
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| Quote JTB="JTB"Your campaign is going well. Biggest queue I've ever seen at the JJB snack counter on Sunday
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Quote andyed-wiganrl="andyed-wiganrl"I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html'"
No. That's how far you and Bradford have fallen not Super League.
Quote andyed-wiganrl="andyed-wiganrl"The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. '"
Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two. I would compare the Saints sides of the past four years favourably against any side that has graced Super League. The side that did the double in 2006 is by far the best this competition has seen.
I'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...
Quote andyed-wiganrl="vastman"The mating call of the loser or what.
It's so predictable, the fans of clubs who think they have a god given right to dominate always use this pathetic excuse whenever there big money doesn't but success.
FFS it's how the franchise works and it's what people allegedly wanted and even playing field a chance for teams to build. Yet when you get it you don't like it.
Why don't you just face the truth for once. Wakey and Hudds have spent well and built good teams whilst Hull and Bradford haven't.
There is one very simple explanatotion for your plight, you are a poor team regardless of the supertar players you reckon you have. Get over your self and drop the snobbery.
Boo Hoo, didums poor old Hull are losing and Wellsy can't take it - so SL is crap and the teams above are only there because Hull and Bradford aren't performing and they should be because on paper (the worlds best playing surface) they should be, must be, this simply can't be boo hoo boo hoo. This really is the worst attitude any fan can have and ruins our game
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Quote andyed-wiganrl="andyed-wiganrl"I always use this example but compare the line ups in this game of 2000 with the current line ups of wigan and bratfut for example to see how far the standard of SL has fallen due to the CC!!
www.slstats.org/2000/8/27/Wigan% ... Bulls.html'"
No. That's how far you and Bradford have fallen not Super League.
Quote andyed-wiganrl="andyed-wiganrl"The SL used to have approximately 5/6 top class teams who could match it with the best and with the NRL teams. '"
Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two. I would compare the Saints sides of the past four years favourably against any side that has graced Super League. The side that did the double in 2006 is by far the best this competition has seen.
I'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...
Quote andyed-wiganrl="vastman"The mating call of the loser or what.
It's so predictable, the fans of clubs who think they have a god given right to dominate always use this pathetic excuse whenever there big money doesn't but success.
FFS it's how the franchise works and it's what people allegedly wanted and even playing field a chance for teams to build. Yet when you get it you don't like it.
Why don't you just face the truth for once. Wakey and Hudds have spent well and built good teams whilst Hull and Bradford haven't.
There is one very simple explanatotion for your plight, you are a poor team regardless of the supertar players you reckon you have. Get over your self and drop the snobbery.
Boo Hoo, didums poor old Hull are losing and Wellsy can't take it - so SL is crap and the teams above are only there because Hull and Bradford aren't performing and they should be because on paper (the worlds best playing surface) they should be, must be, this simply can't be boo hoo boo hoo. This really is the worst attitude any fan can have and ruins our game
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"3 games in a week and poor quality? pah........try 11 games in 34 days,.......10 wins and a draw.
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Sun 10 Mar Challenge Cup QF: Bradford Home Won 32-2
Wed 13 Mar Hull Home Won 34-12
Sun 17 Mar Rochdale Hornets Away Won 44-16
Sat 23 Mar Challenge Cup Semi Final: Oldham Bolton Won 30-16
Tue 26 Mar Warrington Away Won 26-8
Fri 29 Mar Featherstone Rovers Away Won 24-16
Mon 1 April Oldham Away Won 10-4
Thu 4 April St Helens Home Won 28-14
Sun 7 April Castleford Home Won 24-4
Tue 9 April Widnes Home Won 26-6
Thu 11 April Bradford Northern Home Draw 18-18
Sat 13 April Leeds Away Won 20-8 =blueTo win the Championship'"
What a end to that season,mission impossible IIRC,,,,, it seemed that i was going to the a Rugby match every other day |
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| Quote wiganrlforever="wiganrlforever"What a end to that season,mission impossible IIRC,,,,, it seemed that i was going to the a Rugby match every other day'"
I had to borrow cash from my dad to pay for the last few games.
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| Quote JTB="JTB"Your campaign is going well. Biggest queue I've ever seen at the JJB snack counter on Sunday
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There's no way on earth that I could give up my match day hot dog! They're so nice!
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| Quote Katrina="Katrina"There's no way on earth that I could give up my match day hot dog! They're so nice!
Shame on you andyed.... shame on you.'"
Easily pleased I see. 
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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"Did it? I thought Super League was contested by four teams each year and it's only since Saints and Leeds have ramped up the consistency that it's become two.'"
Ramped up the consistency or watched a number of their nearest rivals fall back? I know which I'm more inclined to believe.
Quote McClennanI'll leave it to someone who has the patience to discuss this matter...'"
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