No I don't disagree but the lack of a captain makes it a fine line between winning and losing. The games we've lost (bar Leeds) have all been winnable and we could easily be looking at being 7 and 1 or 6 and 2ish. Ok some may blame the coach. I don't particularly (although I am losing patience). I don't look at individuals either, I look as a team and we are just not being directed around the park in any way shape of form. Our last tackles are absolute garbage and they are vital to success in Rugby League. Maybe that is the coaches fault, I'm not so sure but I've sympathy for Noble because they were not planning to lose Barrett for this season.

Which one was that? The spill over the line early on? Thought that was Hock!

So did I?

It was.

No the one later on where he knocked on before HT. He had 2 players either side.

Can't blame Nobby, it's Lenegan. No, f[ia[/ick it, we'll blame Lockers. Oh dear.

The bottom line we are not good enough or anywhere near.

Trophies are dreamland.

Our pack once again could not get over the top of another run of the mill team.

What we saw from both teams tonight was less than mediocre it was awful rugby. No wonder the crowd is down to 11000.

Our next League games are Saints at home and Catalan away.

Saints is a guaranteed good gate but how many will turn up to watch us play Celtic? Wigan fans expect better than this and unless better players are signed it won't get any better than this.

Ian Lenagan has a massive problem on his hands.

He buys into this mediocrity and I can't see where the club is going except in a downwards direction.

Top class players can demand top class money unless IL is to start getting out his cheque book then tonight's performance will be more regular than any of us would wish.

As for Brian Noble he can win trophies and repeatedly and that is because he had the players. Caisley made sure of it.

For us to win trophies IL has to be as determined as Caisley in providing his coach with the players he needs.

We were shocking tonight but still the players are all better than the level they are performing at imo.



We’ve had a settled-ish team for a few weeks now and they just don’t seem to be either clicking or improving week in week out. Look at the Quins game for example as proof of how we seemed to have gone backwards over recent weeks.



I do honestly think we need freshen up the whole coaching staff at Wigan and bring in a coach who is not only a motivator but also someone who can develop players into better ones that they already are.



I honestly don’t think there is one member of our backroom staff who I have faith in and think oh yeah once x gets to work on them we’ll see massive improvements like Anderson did with Roby, Graham, Gardner and Hargreaves or Smith and Mcleanan did with Smith, JJB, Sinfield or Ellis etc.



Lets not get into the trap of thinking that our players are now somewhat usless or crap cause they aren’t I’d still even after tonight take every single Wigan player bar B.Hodgson over the Hudds players. The difference was the Hudds players are playing better than the actually are where we are doing the complete opposite.



Still think tho with new prop, directional playing SH and a new creative right centre we will see massive improvements in our game.

lol. I'm working the opposite way.........

In previous weeks I would of agreed but now I think 2 props are needed as well as a SH and a decent centre and I am prepared to get slated for this but I think a new coach as well.



To be so inconsistent and poor at doing the basics for this long is disgraceful and the main reason for this IMO is poor coaching. It has simply not been good enough. Poor coaching combined with poor recruitment, an average pack and no leadership is not the recipe for success



There needs to be a serious clear out before we see any sort of consistency to make us a decent side

We need a new Coach, simple.



We just DO NOT look like a well coached team.



After watching the Saints v Leeds game last week, you can't fail to be impressed by how organised Saints look in attack. They broke through the Leeds line at will sometimes - their use of the dummy runner is superb.



We are a million miles away from these levels.



We need to recruit a top class Aussie coach who can drag us to the top of the table.



However, Lenagan will no doubt not see this, I bet he goes for Brian McDermott.



We haven't progressed at all under Noble. Enough.

I don't know but they are on world class money !



The money Phil Bailey is on is amazing.