I agree to a large extent, but to go that extra yard you have to be in peak physical shape - something that it's obvious Wigan aren't.

The jobs for the boys mentality is a cancer in our great game and something that will always ensure the product does not develop as it potentially should.



Good coaches surround themselves with the best people, people who like to have smoke blown up there to boost there ego recruit there mates......and always pay the price in the end.

He's a Saints lad through and through, I'm not too sure about ex Saints coaches... Could do with grabbing Jennings from Penrith imho...

The problem is you have to create that mentality in training and that is the responsibility of a coach, to push them and get the best out of them in that environment. It is unrealistic to expect a team to impliment it on the field without doing it in training.



I was lucky enough to be invited to the Brisbane Bronco's sessions in the build up to the WCC game vs Saints, I had access to all the coaches after the sessions to discuss there methods including Wayne Bennet, and the one thing I came away from that environment with was the level of knowledge in every area that supported that team. Any club that recruits a level of excellence in the backroom will always grow as a club, sadly at a lot of club not just Wigan we are too busy looking out for the interests of there friends rather than ultimatley looking long term interests of themselves. It takes a hell of a coach to support and lead a failing team sadly i think firstly a good coach should not put themselves in that position and secondly we do not have a hell of a coach in Noble anyway.

He has also taken a massivley well paid job in Dubbai and will not be back and fair play to him. Jennings would be an excellent addition, but i think not with Noble as Coach, they are too close.

Agree with all that fella.



And they still lost to Saints

Exactly what i said mate spot on.



Interesting to note as well that it was once the Wigan club who used to do this and set the highest standards possible at the club. Coaches like Lowe and Monie brought the most advanced practices at that time with them to Wigan and Is it any coincidence what those coaches led us to.



As you said in the era of the SC you need to invest as much as possible in the off field side of things to get the upper hand.

They were nackered before half time! It was pretty bad...

I remember thinking during the Saints game that they were coming of a tough game at Leeds and we had had a relatively easy tie at Barrow and rested some. This made me think we had a good chance to win during the second half - but it was us who tired and they stepped up a gear. Embarassing

It was a major ask to expect them to turn around after the effort they put in at Saints to head to the South of France against Les Cats, i base my opinion on what i have seen over the last couple of years.





We have a coach and support staff who only seem to be able to peak us once a year at great expense to the rest of the season, due to the length of the season we should be peaking at least twice, potentially 3 times without too much difficulty.

Reading this thread, if the fitness of the players is a problem the book stops with Forshaw. Looking a some of the names being banded around:



Perilini-Remains unclear what his qualifications for the job where apart from having played for the club and in the bootroom culture. Where is Apollo now?



Jennings-Was at the Bulls then Canberra then Penrith he is a former shot putter and trains the players accordingly. He would suit BN biff n bash approach.



Wigan have let some good conditioners go in the past-Marty Hulme and Nigel Ashley Jones.



Watching Wigan warm up against Saints im not entirley sure MF knows what he is doing. The thing I've found within RL not just Wigan is its 'jobs for the boys' look at James Lowes worming his way in and he got found out. A club like Wigan needs a sports science pro or somebody with a proven track record. Mark Corvo would be my choice he was at Salford, Canberra and Melbourne and made Melbourne into a force over the last few years, he is a professional conditioner and is not playing at it like some in SL. It makes me wonder if MF is suitably qualified?

What job in Dubai?