So what’s the difference between dominant and surrender tackle? That is not written in the basic laws of the game! Do you know what the officials looks for in a tackle and when the player is expected to release the tackled player immediately or is allowed to hold down for longer period? It’s not written in the basic laws of the game! Do you know the difference in the call to indicate th3 tackle is complete? It’s not in the basic laws of the game!



If the referee has called move, and the tackler has failed to move it’s a penalty to the attacking team. If the tackled player then stays on the ground stop the clock! A tackled player cannot get up of the ground until the tackler has released him. If tackler stays on the ground trying to waste time, the clock is stopped. The penalty cannot be reversed

You are the so-called expert and I asked a specific question !! I am trying to understand how refs come to the (to me sometimes inexplicable) decisions they do but you are not really helping by responding with further questions you should know the answers to.



You are suggesting that if the tackler fails to move it would be a penalty regardless of whether the tackled players stays on the ground. Earlier you were saying you need to attempt get up in order to win a penalty. I'm confused. No wonder there is inconsistency.

Save your breath. He just argues in circles and never admits he makes an error.



In this instance, the moment a player goes down the tackled player should wriggle and attempt to get up, therefore attracting the attention of the ref and "milking" a penalty.....this in itself is cheating and has been part of RL for eons.....same way the wrestle tackle is deigned to

turtle" a player and delay the PTB.......it's a thin line and open to interpretation.... which leads to inconsistencies and it id 100% the job of the referees to remove all inconsistencies......so we need better refs.....or we need stronger rules.

Not arguing in circles at all! If a player wriggles on the ground he s not attempting to regain his feet, in fact totally opposite, and I agree this is an attempt to milk the penalty and yes is actually trying to cheat! What rule is being broken though?

The wrestle tackle and turtling as you say is against the rules, but as you say, quite rightly how the official interpreters the rule is down to exactly that, interpretation. So you have two choices! Allow interpretation in a fluid game or strict adherence to the laws which therefore alllows no advantage and penalises every infringement.

Our game then never gets past tackle one, ie American football, is that the game we want?

I will also offer up the thought that as a fan sat stood maybe 50 60 70 mtrs away from an event it might look very different to what the player or ref 5 mtrs away has seen.

I am always amazed how a person stood behind the sticks at Wigan! Wembley! Or a schools game in oxford can judge offside better than the 13 players and one ref in the middle can!

As for the wriggling player, he will may get the attention of the ref, he will not get the penalty, the player who plants his foot in the turf quite likely will, have you spotted the difference?

You comments only covers attending matches it does not cover matches on TV when you probably have as good a view as the REF and his mistakes stand out.

And on tv you get the benefit of replay in slow motion, officials call what they see when it happens. And never said they don’t make mistakes, but every player gets it drilled into the from being a kid, play to the whistle

I will also offer up the thought that as a fan sat stood maybe 50 60 70 mtrs away from an event it might look very different to what the player or ref 5 mtrs away has seen.



50 - 70 metres is no distance at all after all its not fans who rely on Specsavers its the ref and they do a really good job is dissuading fans to use them

So if something happens, and you are stood next to it, then the bloke stood 50 mtrs away tell you that you are wrong, do you believe what you saw or the bloke 50 mtrs away. What’s a shirt sponsor got to do with anything?

Think the best indication of a fans view is the bloke who can see the offside and forward pass from behind the sticks..

The reality is, if the ref calls it, then players need to shrug there shoulders deal with it and get on with the game.

Never yet in any sport seen a ref change there mind because a player saw it a different way.

You don’t like what the refs do, fine, but again what’s yrs answer! What solution would you offer!

Get better Refs? Where from? Train more! When?

Dont you understand irony REFS shirts = Specsavers, Joke .

This constant defending of referees is a bit tiring tbh. I don't like it when refs get it wrong the same as when a player knocks on or drops a catch.



The difference is that both should be open to criticism. We are talking about full time professional refs here over the last few games, I get it's a difficult and mostly thankless job but please stop with the what's your solution? angle and just just note that sometimes refs cock up as does the rest of the human race.



Why the obsession to come up with a counter point to everything that's noted on a refs performance is beyond me sorry.



Saturday was one of the most frustrating performances I've seen from a ref, personally I think he had a nightmare, could I do better? most certainly not but im not getting paid to do it, the ref is and when justified they should be criticised.