I know there are issues around injuries but ultimately it comes back to the coach and I have gone from being happy with Woolford to questioning whether he can take us on. If he's giving the team a game plan to win games and they aren't following it he has to find out why and find a way of getting his plans carried out rather than just constantly critiscise the team. Certainly needs to be asking serious questions of the defensive coach and getting that sorted. Was the fantastic run last year more down to Thorman? Looking at the fixtures and our form I don't see us surviving without an immediate dramatic change.

so basically we've had 3 bad coaches in a row who can't make the players play better? surely by now then the players themselves would be trying to play better off their own back if the coaches haven't been able to 'make' them.

Obviously I know the players should have their own professional pride and attitude, but the coach has to be able to man manage on an individual basis to get the best out of each man.....Was Thorman the man doing that is my question. I like Woolford and hope he can turn it around but my point was that he has to identify how that can be done. Plus there is no leader on the pitch to drive the team on.

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you do realise we have about 7 or 8 regular academy players in our 1st team that we produced, o'brien and mellor from bradford were hardly relying on them

For me his man management skills leave a lot to be desired and publicly berating the players and questioning their desire needs to be kept in house. I think his treatment of seb and to a lesser extent Leeming leaves a lot to be desired.

The tactic of bringing Leeming on after 50mins is so predictable that sides are now countering it, start with him, then bring aob on and move him to loose like earlier in the season, I'd also wouldn't have Lawrence and Murphy on at the same time, hopefully Wardle and fergie will be back soon. We have to better the results of London to stay up in my opinion and with two home games against catalans and Leeds and Cas, if we don't garner enough points from them then we don't deserve to stay up.

Completely agree re leeming-he brings speed around the ruck- bringing him on when the games already gone is pointless. We were winning games when leeming was on the field first. He’s more than capable of playing long more it’s so start him then move him to second row/loose as before.

Defo a nice 3/4 line.

Shudds won ..and they are too good to go down.

shame we havent seen it once all season!

woolfords giants record still leaves alot to be desired, mitigating factors though

done any better than rick stone?