But I genuinely do think you need to at the very least TRY and explain it because it makes no sense to the rest of us. Why would you actively want to stay where your fellow fans burned to death? I can't fathom where the logic is in that.



What I will never ever ever do is to make light of the collective grief that is still felt by all at City but to stay at VP for that reason seems nothing short of macabre. I've made the analogy before but if your son or daughter died in a housefire, would your first priority be to repaint it and move back in or to move the hell out as fast as you can?

I understand what your saying but i do share a lot of feelings with Asim here as well, what has happened at VP gives it an almost supernatural history, its not like a house fire where someone died hanging up their clothes or doing their washing, people have died literally supporting their team, died doing something that they loved. When people have lost their lives doing something so poignant on such a wonderful day that turned into a nightmare the ground becomes almost sacred itself. Ive never taken moving away from VP lightly, but i believe it could be done under certain circumstances. It sounds a bit daft but think of 11/11, nobody thinks 'wow what a depressing day, full of war and bloodshed, we might as well forget about it', people cling onto these things, and likewise people cling onto VP, its a memorial to what happened.

Here we go again......



For what its worth, for VP to be a realistic alternative for me personally would take some convincing, baring in mind that I attended every game we had there and I dont live in Bradford anymore so the extra travelling into the city was/is a right pain, but that would not stop me, what could make the whole thing too depressing in the long term is feeling like unwanted tennents.



We could end up feeling like we didnt have a "home" ground, Im taking about making VP half owned by the Bulls, changing the seats to have our colours as well, with Bulls written in the colour scheme like at Odsal - stuff like that. Little things that I suspect could make a big differnce to feeling like we belonged. But why would City need to agree to that?



And as a (relatively unimportant) aside, does anyone know if the RFL will have a problem with the dimensions of VP not being very close to the prefered maximum in their rules? I know they didnt before, (and I know that Odsal isnt perfect), but that was only temporary, would thier thinking be different on a permanent basis? They list maximum dimensions as prefered but no minimum in the laws.



Ideal = 100m plus two minimum 6m in-goals x 68m

VP = 103 x 64

If we moved to valley parade i do think a lot of away support would dwindle after what happened last time. The club did everything they could, but the stewards were out of order one time as i was sat with the saints fans.



Personally i didn't like it at Valley Parade, it isn't the same - around odsal you can walk around and you can mix and you don't have to be in the same stand, or be near someone to see them etc. You have the tent too - and the rugby at odsal is about having your different foods etc and i would guess the new stadium would have facilities for that - you haven't a chance of that at Valley Parade. I'd watch Bradford - i always will but i wouldn't be happy. And Sutcliffe has lost a fair few votes within my area and i'm sure more.

I'm sure he'd be happy to back a realistic and affordable proposal, ie not the current one.

I was sat next to Gerry in the FC on Friday afternoon. We had a laugh about him bopping to the Who's 'Wont Get Fooled Again'. I left politics out of it, even though there were lots of questions I would have liked to have asked him, but I thought give the bloke a rest; I'd have been pi ssed off if he had started grilling me about my job. We shook hands when I left & wished each other merry xmas. I'm surprised he was still standing by night time. He probably said no comment as it is an almost impossible situation & cannot afford to be ruled by his heart. And I have never voted for him

vp is ok as a footy ground, i attended every home game when last there,but for me i would like to stay at odsal.not only because it's near but the problems we had getting to & from the stadium,the friday night games were horrendous plus walking back to your car only to find it had been either vandalised or broken in to, and on two occations myself & family verbally abused.A community ground would be a viable option if suitable agreement on all sides could be reached, i'm sure funding could be found from sales of grounds and private investment.

The JCT 600 Stadium?

It will be slap bang in the middle of the city park and the Westfield shopping centre, and will be officially opened in the year Bradford is European City of Culture, before hosting that years Commonwealth Games.



Access will be made easy by the new combined central railway station, or by people hitching a ride on the back of one of the thousands of flying pigs.

have you got a crystal ball

As an away fan, I would say Valley Parade is one of the poorest grounds to visit. Difficult to get to, difficult to park, poor view and effectively herded into an area regardless of where you wanted to go or not.



Odsal, is the complete opposite of this and as you say the home support wouldn't alter greatly, the away support would really suffer.

I dont know how sutcliffe managed to scrape in at the last local elections as quite alot around here voted bnp, bnp got into queensbury etc and thought that would be tory if owt.

Landlord of where we have our club dos and meetings is chairman of bradford bnp, next time im in im gonna ask him his views on the osv and see if he can tell me owt that we dont get to here about.