Ouch, that cuts deep Jim, you enjoyed getting that in

..Probably the most experienced coach in here then.



I'm entitled to comment on what I see as much as anyone is (a bit like your strong views on the disciplinary Jim, i dont think youre a match official and maybe theres more than one way of doing things?)



I've not slagged anyone off or called for his head but people seem to be very touchy (like Chris' 'i though it'd take longer than rnd 2 before 'all this') will see whether RS way of doing things is able to get the team and I think by round 8-10 we can give a fair assessment whether that's going to b enough to complete at the top end over the long term.



LeedsBA - completion would suggest some execution of fundamentals but you can still complete high without offering much in the way of creating space for the majority of the time. Stats aren't always the best indicator. And again you and Christopher are choosing to take what I've said about the cross field kick (which I've said more than once was a brilliant play) without any context.

I think he’s (and me to some extent) are taking your comment on the ‘trick’ plays as youve suggested they are taking precedence over other things when there’s no evidence to suggest they are.



Ultimately though we agree that it’s too early to tell anything yet.



Im honestly not taking it personally were just discussing it and we are just coming from it at different angles.

It’s like being in a classroom on here. Hard to actually follow topic with the pathetic bickering……

Please start a private WhatsApp chat or something, if you want such a personal chat fellas

Eh it's a discussion forum, what personal chats are we having? I've not asked Seth what he's having for his tea.

Must admit it is nice to watch us run round teams again, haven’t seen that since we had Watkins/Moon!

No harm meant mate

I'm just pointing out that RS is highly likely to know more about what he's doing than you seem to think at times.



On the disciplinary front even, I think the referees are unfairly criticised at times, it is a tough job and I have strong views over the whole application. My concern is for the game as a whole; but again we have to balance health of players alongside the spectacle we all enjoy.

I actually feel sorry for the refs, it's not their fault.

I look forward to you contributing something of interest to the class Shabs, til then, sit down.

The evidence of how good RS is will ultimately be played out over the next couple of months and we will be able to see conclusive evidence, I hope his approach does succeed and we all get to watch a quality performing team most weeks.

A couple of signings aside, I like his recruitment so far. You could say he's been given a sizeable war chest too.. some re-signings I'm not so convinced by but I don't know the intricacies of the salary cap or what players are like off-field and in training.



It's fair to say that we are all expecting better performances and results from the team this year. Already we have injury clouds over Holroyd, Oledski straight away, and now Lisone banned. Is RS responsible but us being dodgy in the critical front row positions? I don't think so but yet this could cost us games.



I still think we should have signed another ready-to-play prop, but maybe the right person just wasn't available. We were linked with a couple before they signed at other clubs.



I would also like to see us being more effective in "good ball", but in fairness I've already seen better application of pressure than most of last year. Leeds have not been great in the opposition 20 for a very long time now, since well before RS - but we have players like Newman, Croft and Miller who can create something at the line.

He would be responsible for continually picking Donaldson there, though thankfully that's been taken out of his hands for a couple of games and I hope he never has to consider that option again.

Agree on Donno; great club servant but when he’s making an average gain of 3m at prop it’s pretty embarrassing.



Emergency back rower only for me.