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| Quote Once were Loiners="Once were Loiners"The problem with the DoR role is frankly one of how much work is involved? Its not really a full time job is it, if the coach picks the players, is supported by assistants and also watches over the reserves and academy, who have their own coaches? So a DoR does what - recruitment and selecting the coach? Recruitment is vital, but is it a full time job? I don't think so, and in any event the coach has to be involved in all recruitment decisions.
What you really want is a club CEO who can run a business and understands rugby. We have that, but it would be good to see GH make some moves that suggest he's learned from the myriad mistakes of recent years and that there's more than some nebulous 5-year plan to look forward to. If/when he retires its that CEO role that matters.
Frankly some of us predicted problems years ago, and just as the Golden Generation was a lesson in what can be achieved through good decisions (as well as luck), the years since then are a case study in exactly how not to manage a transition.'"
Are you crazy - a DOR role at an elite club is a FT role and some. The need to run the whole rugby operation including conditioning - that includes all academy development, scouting, coaching appointments, player recruitment etc. IT/data reporting, analysis - equipment - we are at least 5 years behind the NRL.
The last thing you want is the coach choosing the players - he goes and you have all his players for another two years as we have experienced for years.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"No chance of McGuire at Leeds unless GH is gone - much bad blood when he left.'"
That’s what I think will happen. GH will retir before the next coach is appointed, and whoever is DoR (JJB could well be, he’s now on the board), will bring Danny back.
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| It will be JJB.
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| ZooZoo - we are miles behind the NRL in a lot of ways, including the size of the club. They might need a DoR because they have a huge number of backroom staff which even a big SL side like Leeds can't afford. Even then it varies club to club. Gould is effectively DoR for the Bulldogs, but he was brought in to root and branch rebuild the entire setup, including all staff and players and put in place systems for player development that had withered. But in a well run team there wouldn't be 10% of the work involved, and once Gould is done and the club is on a firm footing the place should largely run itself.
We can agree to differ on that one, but you are spectacularly wrong about the coach not selecting players who sign. It has to be the opposite. The coach should be front and centre in any and all decisions on recruitment. After all they are the ones who live and die by results, and have to be able to work with players. No coach worth their salt would or should work for a club where they don't have as much control as possible over signings.
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| Quote Once were Loiners="Once were Loiners"ZooZoo - we are miles behind the NRL in a lot of ways, including the size of the club. They might need a DoR because they have a huge number of backroom staff which even a big SL side like Leeds can't afford. Even then it varies club to club. Gould is effectively DoR for the Bulldogs, but he was brought in to root and branch rebuild the entire setup, including all staff and players and put in place systems for player development that had withered. But in a well run team there wouldn't be 10% of the work involved, and once Gould is done and the club is on a firm footing the place should largely run itself.
We can agree to differ on that one, but you are spectacularly wrong about the coach not selecting players who sign. It has to be the opposite. The coach should be front and centre in any and all decisions on recruitment. After all they are the ones who live and die by results, and have to be able to work with players. No coach worth their salt would or should work for a club where they don't have as much control as possible over signings.'"
I completely disagree with your last paragraph - in RL we see all too often new coaches picking up the signings of the previous coach and it taking 2/3 years because of contractual issues to try and turn things around. Smith is in this boat now - Leeds have been in transition for 6 years when does this ever stop.
If you look at Saints they have a style of play that each coach has to maintain and they have players that fit that system. The coach may have an input but the players have to fit the system - perhaps this is a better way than a coach who wants all his own players it fails and the next comes along and say the same it's a crazy roundabout that nobody can get off.
Smith fails and a new coach is stuck with the likes of Olpherts, Fasitua, Lisone, Hooley etc. What happens then?
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| Quote batleyrhino="batleyrhino"That’s what I think will happen. GH will retir before the next coach is appointed, and whoever is DoR (JJB could well be, he’s now on the board), will bring Danny back.'"
If JJB is the DOR he will do what Sheens did at Wests.
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| hHow about Matt Cook for DOR ,he is an intelligent guy with a good rugby background too and if someone like Fitzpatrick can do the job at Warrington I'm sure Matt would be fine , Please not JJB, fingers in too many pies elsewhere
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| Can Fitzpatrick do the job? Plenty wires would argue otherwise.
Agree with JJB, simply don't have a shred of confidence that that would work
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| The club have dined out on the golden generation for way too long, anytime theres a bit of unrest or something needing a quick fix, they turn to one of that generation...the problem is, a large part of the fanbase lap it up, despite it very rarley working.
It would not suprise me at all if it was same again and JJB got any kind DOR position if it became available, and it would be yet another horrible decision by the club imo, based on nothing but sentiment....i mean, he must of had 3 or 4 different roles at the club in the last 18 month alone.
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| Quote Clearwing="Clearwing"Can Fitzpatrick do the job? Plenty wires would argue otherwise.
Agree with JJB, simply don't have a shred of confidence that that would work'"
The giant crucifix erected on top of the north stand will be a talking point though.
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| Quote mattsrhinos1978="mattsrhinos1978"The club have dined out on the golden generation for way too long, anytime theres a bit of unrest or something needing a quick fix, they turn to one of that generation...the problem is, a large part of the fanbase lap it up, despite it very rarley working.
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Same with McGuire, everyone wants him back, people wanted him as head coach after Agar, he may turn out to be a good coach but he’s got no experience and hasn’t proved anything yet.
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| Quote mattsrhinos1978="mattsrhinos1978"The club have dined out on the golden generation for way too long, anytime theres a bit of unrest or something needing a quick fix, they turn to one of that generation...the problem is, a large part of the fanbase lap it up, despite it very rarley working.
It would not suprise me at all if it was same again and JJB got any kind DOR position if it became available, and it would be yet another horrible decision by the club imo, based on nothing but sentiment....i mean, he must of had 3 or 4 different roles at the club in the last 18 month alone.'"
Correct the club needs a visionary with fore thought, maybe they thought they had that person in Rohan but to date we have a decline in team performance and media wise arrogance and bluff.
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