Is Johnson just not rated by Rohan? Been talking of Bentley at 9 of late…… Johnson is 22 now a supposedly has great passing and decision making. Roby Clarke, even Walker at Widnes were making a mark in late teens. When is he going to get a chance for some big minutes?

Few observations from me to add to the above.



Slow play the ball didn't help us - I actually thought the ref was pretty pure at policing this, Cas were laying on for far too long, however:



Our passing was appalling. First receivers always standing still with balls going above and behind them is no way to start an attacking play.



All our attack was focused around the ruck, which didn't work due to slow PTB. No early ball given to Macdonald or others to exploit week defenders like Fonua.



Our wingers are infuriating. Can be great going forward in first/second tackles, but constantly coming up with absolute howlers! Handley missed big time.



The honeymoon period is over with Smith. I like him, and think it will work out, but results are the lifeblood of professional sport.



Cas were dire and are a poor team, so to lose the way we did is pretty inexcusable for me.

If a coach doesn't like you it doesn't matter how hard you train you wont get picked - best to cut your losses and move on. The best outcome for all parties.

There are so many flaws in this line of thinking. Smith took us to the grand final last year, why are we now seemingly worse off now that he's had more chance to influence the squad with pre-season and signings? I'm guessing that on the current direction of travel we are set for a worse PPG in comparison to the games he was in charge of last season. Could it be that he rode the crest of a wave last season, and now that it's been time to really step it up, he's not up to it? Does beating Saints really mean anything when we've lost 3 of the 4 other games? It was also a bit last-gasp and somewhat lucky, we have to admit that.



The comparison with teams of the past is totally irrelevant. Those teams had won grand finals. This team haven't. In 2006 Hull sacked Kear shortly into the season and then the new coach (something Smith?) took them to the grand final (from 2nd position). He then proceeded to do nothing in the following season/seasons and was sacked.



Hanging our hat on the Grand Final appearance is going to be the same as keeping Agar for as long as we did on the basis of ''but he won us the challenge cup''. It's just flawed thinking.

Sacking Smith now is also flawed thinking, we signed him as a long term coach, we need to give him some time.



You mentioned Hull, sacking their coach, hows the constant merry go round of coaches since then working out for them?

RS gets this season and chance to shape next seasons squad. Understand the frustration but knew jerking now is not what’s needed.

Yeah I know. I'm not advocating sacking him right now, but I'm a Smith sceptic. The thing about a long-term coach is, they have to be the guy, the right person.

I think Smith is that person, I guess we’ll have to wait snd see.

Sadly for Leeds Smith's lack of experience at the elite level will lead to a very long learning curve. It seems to me he is still working on his style e.g. passive defence, odd attacking structures. It seems he is using Leeds to hone his style.



Leeds needed a very experienced proven coach - perhaps in GH's defence no serious coach was willing to come - especially after the Furner show and the unhelpful influence of JJB - fortunately Smith soon put a stop to that.



Poor recruitment over many years and the lack of quality youth coming through hasn't helped - when did Leeds last produce a quality half back or FB? Every year we hear - great youngsters coming through - but where are they especially in key positions 1,6,7,9,13

passive defence on a children's size pitch simply invited pressure on our line. a stupid tactic which backfired

I don't to be honest, unfortunately. I think we're about to embark on a similar 3/4 years as what we had under Agar.

Smith is still untangling the mess created during the Agar years.



It will take longer than the 6 months hes been here. Apparently the work he’s doing within the club is all about the long term. Problem is fans are fickle snd see everything in the short term.