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| Quote christopher="christopher"But there are a lot of 'working class' people that held the same view about Liverpool as a city, and also the same about the Liverpool fans at hillsborough.'"
The reputation of football fans generally was very low at the time, many people were prepared to believe the worst. But I always found The Sun's accusations too much of a stretch to believe. I really didnt think that fans would act that way to fans of their own club.
I dont think think any anti Liverpool sentiments were fueled by a dislike of scousers as such. But Hillsborough happened just 4 years after Hysel and I do think that tainted peoples reactions. There seemed to be quite a widespead feeling, which I shared, that Liverpool fans had refused to accept responsibility for Hysel, that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. When Hillsborough happened many people were reluctant to accept that Liverpool fans might be largely blameless. It was perceived as Hysel Mark II. The cover up was easier to achieve because of what happened 4 year earlier.
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| Quote christopher="christopher" Personally I don't think it has anything to do with anti Scouse or anti Liverpudlian.'"
Could have been any of us.
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| Quote gulfcoast_highwayman="gulfcoast_highwayman" ... It's the worst kind of bar room bo**ocks dressed up in flowery writing.'"
I have stored this phrase away in what's left of my memory.
I shall be giving it an airing from time to time as it sums up most of what Boris spouts.
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| Liverpool doesn't have exclusivity for this s opinionation.
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[size=50Dally will love this.[/size
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| Quote Cibaman="Cibaman"The reputation of football fans generally was very low at the time, many people were prepared to believe the worst. But I always found The Sun's accusations too much of a stretch to believe. I really didnt think that fans would act that way to fans of their own club.
I dont think think any anti Liverpool sentiments were fueled by a dislike of scousers as such. But Hillsborough happened just 4 years after Hysel and I do think that tainted peoples reactions. There seemed to be quite a widespead feeling, which I shared, that Liverpool fans had refused to accept responsibility for Hysel, that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. When Hillsborough happened many people were reluctant to accept that Liverpool fans might be largely blameless. It was perceived as Hysel Mark II. The cover up was easier to achieve because of what happened 4 year earlier.'"
Great post....At that time, there was nothing perceived as lower than a football fan - After her victory over the miners, Thatcher had made it her goal to kill the sport, which would have been another hammer blow to the working classes of the country, who Thatcher was determined to punish for their opposition to her leadership of the country.
Thatcher had actually banned English clubs from Europe in '85, immediately after Heysel, before UEFA had even had chance to think about it, and I know it sounds harsh, but Hillsborough must have been golddust to Thatcher, as it gave her another excuse to smear football fans.
I really hope that any future inquest investigates Thatcher's role in this whole thing....It would not shock me if government's fingerprints were involved in this - Certainly Thatcher's favourite propoganda machine, the Sun, was immersed in this cover-up, so it figures that the Government were not far away during the discussions that thought up such an awful plot to blacken a cities population, and a sport's followers.
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| Deary me. The extrapolations and flights of fancy people come up with!
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"I'm surprised that anyone can think that the best efforts of Sth Yorks Police and Ambulance and the Thatcher Government were anything but class and politically inspired and indeed Jack Straw has said as much today and been shot down by Norman Tebbitt (like you'd trust his take on things), I can only think that those who suggest otherwise were probably too young to appreciate the vicious class war that was conducted throughout the 1980s, the battering of the unions, the crushing of the likes of Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone - some of this may have been deserved depending on your point of view but when those in authority falsify documents and facts and then go further to incriminate those whom they regarded (at the time) as being from an area of direct opposition to them politically, then you are treading into very dangerous ground, the sort of distorting of the truth that we are more used to seeing in South American dictatorships, its hardly surprising that even senior Tories finally turned against Thatcher before we started to see opposition politicians "disappear" as in Chile and Argentina.'"
Sorry, but Thatcher smashing the unions, scargill, Hatton, and livingstone was simply brilliant, simply brilliant. As for you thinking Thatcher suddenly going all Pinochet and making opposition politicians disappear, stay off the heroin.
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| Quote World of Redboy="World of Redboy"Sorry, but Thatcher smashing the unions, scargill, Hatton, and livingstone was simply brilliant, simply brilliant. As for you thinking Thatcher suddenly going all Pinochet and making opposition politicians disappear, stay off the heroin.'"
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Deary me. The extrapolations and flights of fancy people come up with!'"
Pretty much how many people thought about the Hillsborough families fight for the truth.
Look how that ended up.
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| Quote LFC FANS DID NOT CAUSE HILLSBOROUGH!!
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I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?
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| Quote east stander="east stander"I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?'"
Have you asked any of them?
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| Quote east stander="east stander"I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?'"
Probably both of them.
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