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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"What are you on about now soft cock?
I never voted for "this", whatever "this" means. I've never voted tory, nor will I ever'"
Your never vote Tory comment is what undermines your point of view, its not based on reason, but bias.
So the current state of the country brought about by 13 years of typical Labour rule ala 70's is what you deserve !
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| Quote Knuckles="Knuckles"Your never vote Tory comment is what undermines your point of view, its not based on reason, but bias.
So the current state of the country brought about by 13 years of typical Labour rule ala 70's is what you deserve !'"
Or, that conservatism is an ideology he fundamentally disagrees with.
If anything, the fact you think blair and brown were ‘typical labour’ shows it is your view that is jaundiced by bias.
Anything to say defending her from sending the SAS to train Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Guerrila combat?
Her protection of Pinochet?
Her relationship with Jimmy Saville?
Her relationship with the corrupt House of Saud and involvement in dealing arms to them?
The poll tax?
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| Quote Steve51="Steve51"Funny this, as yesterday I suspect most of the spouting and commenting was done by those who had no political awareness of what was going on in the late 70's early 80's.
taxes were high and this country was always going to shift from a manufacturing base to a service base. We couldn't compete with the rest of the world industrially and whichever PM was in power could only really manage that change.
We had the best person at the time for that job as the only alternative was either Foot or Cinnock who were completely incompetent. The only thing that may have improved things was if John Smith hadn't died. He looked to have the stuff to push us forward.
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Cant disagree with any of that, its why I voted for her in 79 (???) and the next time around, there was no viable alternative - its also amazing how many of those celebrating in various cities are obviously under 30 years of age and possibly wouldn't even have been born when she was ousted by her own people.
I always remember an old boss of mine at her first election saying that the country (at that time) needed to change the party in government at every election simply because we needed four years of low spending and low taxes followed by four years of high taxes but high public spending, and in the context of those times he was right and in the main thats what happened.
It doesn't happen now of course because as a political commentator mentioned yesterday the Labour Party is currently somewhere to the right of what MacMillan's Tory government was - we now have three main party's singing off the same Oxford University PPE designed songsheet rather than MP's who represented an ethos and/or their social environment and background.
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| Quote littlerich="littlerich". My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"
That’s her pretty much in a nutshell
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| Quote Knuckles="Knuckles"Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"
OK, un-cherry pick it and show us all she did
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| Quote littlerich="littlerich"My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"
Well that's OK then. 
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| Quote littlerich="littlerich" My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"
Likewise, and I was young, self employed and invincible, and made a very good living thank you, so I understand the attitude of young Tory voters these days who believe that they don't need a support structure or that they should support others.
I've matured since then of course.
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| Quote Knuckles="Knuckles"Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"
Yeah, I only stopped "cherry-picking" because I thought the list was already long enough to make the point.
It's an awful lot of cherries isn't it?
She campaigned with a poster showing a huge dole queue, with the slogan "Labour's Not Working" ... and, when in office, proceeded to treble unemployment.
She defeated Scargill (and, in my opinion, he was as bad as she was) but the collateral damage was absolutely immense, quite apart from that inflicted on the mining industry and the support industries around it.
Did she care?
Did she hell, as long as the City was happy, she was happy.
No plan for the aftermath, no plan at all, just happy to slash and burn and let people suffer, just like the current crop in Downing Street.
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| One of my most cherished possessions is an inscribed miniature brass miner's lamp presented to me by the Notts NUM as a thank you for the work I and a few friends did during the strike. We would collect groceries donated by people in supermarket car parks and run them down to miner's clubs to be shared out amongst the striker's families. I made that trip three times a week for over six months and was glad to do it. There was real hardship among the mining communities and it just seemed like the right thing to do. You could safely say that I was no fan of Thatcher then and my opinion hasn't changed that much since. She was dismissive of all opposition and altogether too strident for my taste.
But she was an elected leader of a democratic country who kept on being elected and so must have had the support of a sizeable proportion of the electorate. Comparisons to Pinochet and other dictators are childish and unworthy of those who make them, and diminish the experience of those who suffered under real dictatorships.
And now she is dead. Whilst I cannot say that I will mourn her, the reaction of many on this thread is shameful. I have rarely seen such mean spirited bile masquerading as legitimate comment.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Or, that conservatism is an ideology he fundamentally disagrees with.
If anything, the fact you think blair and brown were ‘typical labour’ shows it is your view that is jaundiced by bias.
Anything to say defending her from sending the SAS to train Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Guerrila combat?
Her protection of Pinochet?
Her relationship with Jimmy Saville?
Her relationship with the corrupt House of Saud and involvement in dealing arms to them?
The poll tax?'"
Supporting apartheid
Her handling of Northern Ireland
Her reaction to Hillsborough
Her attitude to Liverpool during and after the 1981 riots
etc etc etc
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