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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"I've said this before, that is a truly abhorrent POV, as is the one expressed by the OP. Sickening.'"
Why?
It's not killing anyone, it's a preventative punishment.
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| I don't get what all the fuss is about. An unpleasant person has died and the OP is pleased to see the back of him. So what? Should we only be sad when someone dies, however repugnant we find that person? There are plenty of 'positive' RIP threads on here, so why not a 'negative' one?
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| Quote dr_feelgood="dr_feelgood"Have taken the champagne off ice now Maggie's out of hospital!'"
Keep it in the fridge though, the old witch can't last much longer.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"That's because those advocating capital punishment aren't interested in justice, only revenge'"
What a load of rubbish - I am talking about executing those convicted of premeditated crime where there is no doubt e.g London bombers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Rose West etc - not sure how this counts as revenge?
I simply cannot see the value in keeping them alive in reasonable comfort for 40 years+. There's was premeditated murder for which they should suffer the ultimate penalty, Brady - he been in prison since the 60's why? The poor mother who died this year has been tortured all this time he would give up where he buried the boy - if he had been executed he might have given that up at the point of no return.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"I don't get what all the fuss is about. An unpleasant person has died and the OP is pleased to see the back of him. So what? Should we only be sad when someone dies, however repugnant we find that person? There are plenty of 'positive' RIP threads on here, so why not a 'negative' one?'"
Wait until Maggie dies!! Arthur will be celebrating from his London flat - great thing socialism!!
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"What a load of rubbish - I am talking about executing those convicted of premeditated crime where there is no doubt e.g London bombers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Rose West etc - not sure how this counts as revenge?
I simply cannot see the value in keeping them alive in reasonable comfort for 40 years+. There's was premeditated murder for which they should suffer the ultimate penalty, Brady - he been in prison since the 60's why? The poor mother who died this year has been tortured all this time he would give up where he buried the boy - if he had been executed he might have given that up at the point of no return.'"
All murder is premeditated, it wouldn't be murder if it wasn't.
And if the definition of murder is the planned death of an individual, then what is state execution ?
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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"What a load of rubbish - I am talking about executing those convicted of premeditated crime where there is no doubt e.g London bombers, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Rose West etc - not sure how this counts as revenge?
I simply cannot see the value in keeping them alive in reasonable comfort for 40 years+. There's was premeditated murder for which they should suffer the ultimate penalty, Brady - he been in prison since the 60's why? The poor mother who died this year has been tortured all this time he would give up where he buried the boy - if he had been executed he might have given that up at the point of no return.'"
Presumably the London bombers would have been executed if they'd been caught. Although you'd need a pretty good surgeon to prepare them for execution.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"All murder is premeditated, it wouldn't be murder if it wasn't.
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Not necessarily. You can still commit murder without planning it.
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| Quote Ajw71="Ajw71"Not necessarily. You can still commit murder without planning it.'"
There has to be an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, sounds pretty much like premeditation to me
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"There has to be an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, sounds pretty much like premeditation to me'"
If we are brawling in the street and as we are rolling around on the floor I see a broken bottle, pick it up and shove it in your gut. You die, and the prosecution prove I intended to cause you GBH I have murdered you.
I haven't planned in advance to kill you or cause you GBH, it was a split second decision as I saw the bottle on the floor.
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| Codead - I wouldn't really agree with that. You can do something on the spur of the moment that isn't pre-planned.
For instance you go home, find someone in bed with the wife and in a rage stab him with a pair of scissors on the bed-side table. I'd say that wasn't premeditated, whereas the 7/7 bombings, say, would be because they were planned and committed in the cold light of day.
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| Quote Him="Him"Codead - I wouldn't really agree with that. You can do something on the spur of the moment that isn't pre-planned.
For instance you go home, find someone in bed with the wife and in a rage stab him with a pair of scissors on the bed-side table. I'd say that wasn't premeditated, whereas the 7/7 bombings, say, would be because they were planned and committed in the cold light of day.'"
By picking up the scissors and attacking him with them, you obviously intended to cause him harm, the fact that scissors can cause grievous harm drops you in to that category. There is no time limit on premeditation, you don't have to sit brooding or planning it for days or even hours.
[url=http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homicide_murder_and_manslaughter/#murderCPS link[/url
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