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I completely agree about the way Labour handled the banking crisis - the fall out had to happen at some point. Fortunately for Labour they had gone when the day of reckoning occurred. What I find puzzling is what you expected the coalition to do - carry a huge debt burden indefinitely?



The only good thing about what has happened is that Labour didn't get into power - we would have debt on a scale never seen before. They would have taken this virus scare as an opportunity to re-nationalise as much as possible plus all the other stuff they wanted to do - it would have been eye-watering and it would have had to be paid back at some point and the only realistic way would have been through increased taxation.

Again though - you are describing exactly what the current Govt *are* doing, through the lens of what some scary, dystopic, fantasy Labour Govt *might* do; and I can assure you that private business and the self-employed will, without any shadow of a doubt, see increased taxation to foot the bill for the hard-left socialist interventions of Rishi Sunak. For the next five years at least, the Tories have a baked-in excuse to replace the 'last Labour Government' lie they've been telling about austerity for the previous ten years.

Interesting that you mention "carry a huge debt burden indefinitely? "



The current situation is going to make the crash of 2007 look like a blip, he £billions being used by world governments to try and sure up their economies is just mind boggling.

I wonder whether the front line NHS staff will have their wages frozen or cut, as a reward for literally putting their lives on the line.



Pritti Patel though she was being magnanimous in suggesting that those from outside the UK who are part of the effort to save lives can "stay another 12 months" for being part of the "war" effort.

Those people should, if they want it, be given British citizenship.

The numbers, in the scale of things are miniscule and if anyone has earned the right to live in the UK, those people most certainly have.



It's lucky for her that the opposition is ineffective and that there are more important things for us all to worry about - she's a bloody disgrace to the office that she holds.

No it wont - the 330bn to support business will not cost the government a penny - they are not providing the money just a guarantee to the banks. You try and get one of these loans - unless you are prepared to put your property on the line the banks aren't interested. They will only lend on this scheme if they can't find a way to lend you the money on a different scheme at higher interest rates e.g. increase ID facility.



So we are left with the 80% support which runs for 3 months let's say its 3m at 2,500 a month - £7,500 times 5 million is c£40bn let's say it lasts 6 months and its 10 million c£160bn given Labour were happy to spend c£250bn on its green policy doesn't look crippling to me. There will be delay in meeting VAT and PAYE payments but that will be caught up within 18 months. The challenge in all of this and the unknown is how long it will take for normal business to resume and will the government extend the 80% longer?



I completely agree about the nursing staff - they should be encourage to stay given the heroic efforts they have made.



I cannot see an elongated period of austerity to be an option at the end of this - increased taxation across the board will be needed - CT revenues will be well down as will VAT receipts etc.

People talk about revisionist history, this is revisionist future.



Will Rishi's splurge have to be paid back, and if so, how do you think it will be paid back?

It will but through higher taxation - as would have been the case if Labour would have been in charge.

What, even the swarthy European ones?!



I can see the attraction now: "You know all that hateful, xenophobic stuff we said before? We didn't really mean it - so please stay and risk your lives for another 12 months, then when all this over, we'll go back to all that hostile environment stuff again, and you can feck off back where you came from. Ok?"

Unless they have the relevant 'points'. Don't forget about points based immigration scheme!

The absolute MINIMUM they should have at this point in time is UK citizenship (assuming they want it).

The offer of "an extra 12 months" in the UK, is just down right insulting and if that is the best that they can expect, they may be better placed in going to help their "own" back in the country of birth.

Clearly in the eyes of Patel, they aren't deserving of anything other than a pat on the head.



The double standards of Boris pseudo clapping their efforts on the steps of No 10, having screwed them over for the preceding 10 years, makes my blood boil and yet, enough of the nation backed the Tories, unbelievable.



Patel is an utter disgrace, who the hell does she think she is.

A racist that believes in hanging and forced repatriation - it's just a pity that we cant get rid of her

With every day that passes it becomes more clear that the Government are absolutely clueless what to do. They think throwing money at it will cure all problems. The trouble is that the guarantee provided for loans will only apply to companies considered to be viable, unfortunately most are currently closed down therefore the banks are reluctant to lend. The second problem is the fact it is a loan and not many businesses want to take on further debt at this time. The obvious result will be the failures of both large and small businesses with the impact on the economy and most importantly unemployment.

The second false economy is that with the obvious failure to test means that they are placing increased pressure on the NHS because staff are in isolation when they could be cleared and returned to work.

The lack of testing will not go away only yesterday Gove produced another false claim regarding the lack of chemicals which was debunked by the industry. We are all suffering semi imprisonment because the government do not want to test under the guise of protecting the NHS rather than saving the government. They will continue to be compared to Germany on testing which unfortunately they cannot answer.

There will be a report but this will not be for many years at which point they know their failures will be exposed. I expect this report to be buried if ready before the next election or delayed until after.

It’s bad when Donald Trump is criticising our actions.

Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Interesting that you mention "carry a huge debt burden indefinitely Pritti Patel though she was being magnanimous in suggesting that those from outside the UK who are part of the effort to save lives can "stay another 12 months" for being part of the "war" effort. Those people should, if they want it, be given British citizenship. The numbers, in the scale of things are miniscule and if anyone has earned the right to live in the UK, those people most certainly have. .'" 4 drs dead so far Habib Zaidi https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52040991… Adil El Tayar https://theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/ ... oronavirus… Amged El-Hawrani https://theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/ ... m-covid-19… Dr Alfa Saadu And a nurse Thomas Harvey. https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/h ... -1-6587770 Something for the xenophobes to reflect on

Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Interesting that you mention "carry a huge debt burden indefinitely Pritti Patel though she was being magnanimous in suggesting that those from outside the UK who are part of the effort to save lives can "stay another 12 months" for being part of the "war" effort. Those people should, if they want it, be given British citizenship. The numbers, in the scale of things are miniscule and if anyone has earned the right to live in the UK, those people most certainly have. .'" 4 drs dead so far Habib Zaidi https://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-52040991… Adil El Tayar https://theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/ ... oronavirus… Amged El-Hawrani https://theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/ ... m-covid-19… Dr Alfa Saadu And a nurse Thomas Harvey. https://www.ilfordrecorder.co.uk/news/h ... -1-6587770 Something for the xenophobes to reflect on