Unfortunately there are many supporters of the Tory party who not only recycle the myth but have recycled it and heard it stated so many times that they actually believe it to be true - starting with actual real life Ministers in public office who really should know better.

Let me guess ... Justin Welby?

It's not the entire story, but a biased and largely dishonourable media hardly helps.

That's deliberate and will get worse as we near 2015. Now Linton Crosby is in charge, the tories will use every method of subterfuge and dirty trick they know. On this morning's Sunday Politics Brillo asked Chris Graylig about UKIP, Grayling responded with a load of bollox about how Labour can't be trusted because Len McCluskey is pulling their strings. Even when Neill tried to rein him in, his Labour/Unions diatribe continued, to the point where everyone appeared to have forgotten the original question. So be prepared for nearly two years of "it's all Labour's fault"

The Labour party is crap. During my lifetime it has always been crap apart from when Tony Blair was leader. Briefly under John Smith they were getting it together too, but they were still a cautious party of opposing the Tories rather than really striking out and having a good vision for society which is what they had under Blair.



They would have had it again if David Miliband had been leader but they liked the fact Ed posed as 'standing to the left of David' but he hasn't really stood for anything at all. To be honest Ed Balls would be a more forceful leader that would stand for something, but yes it would be too left wing for the non Labour member public to really get excited, and he is also a character that falls out with people and makes enemies too quickly, so they would be back to where they were with Brown.



If not David Miliband then Alastair Darling would be a good leader.



But even with Ed Miliband in charge and the party being in dire straits, why are the Tories still behind? Why couldn't they win an overall majority last time against Gordon Brown of all people. Do you think the party of Thatcher or even Major, would be reliant on the Lib Dems to give them a majority against the Labour party in its current state?

Like this sensationalist, over-dramatic crap from Trevor Kavanagh?



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Oh the irony, coming from a cheerleader of the transparently philanthropic organisation that is News International.



Please note Kavanagh's capitalisation of "militant"

Dear me.





''.....there is a red in or under every bed.''



Joseph McCarthy of the 50's would be proud of Kavanagh.



T0sser!

A Murdoch toady.



Mind, Twitter's a wonderful thing. I've just tweeted him the link to [url=http://www.nuj.org.uk/files/NUJ_Code_of_Conduct.pdfthis[/url.

This "Labour is finished" argument is just the last desperate attack of a Conservative party that can see defeat looming.



The same thing happened in the US with Obama. Republicans had been saying for most of 2011 and 2012 that Obama was finished, no President could ever win with the economy in the state it was, he was a disappointment and the US electorate wouldn't be fooled again. Because there are a lot of right wing voices in the media they think that if they shout it loud enough thats what everyone will think. The sad thing is I think some of them believed it too.



But the only people that ever said it were Republicans. Just like if you hear someone saying the Labour party is finished, it will be a Conservative.



Then after the election happens they will be thrashing around not understanding what happened like the Republicans that said it was just because Obama was black that he won.



My guess is after the election these people that are saying Labour are finished now, will say stuff like:

- the electoral system favours Labour

- the BBC and establishment are left wing and biased to Labour

- Labour filled the country with so many immigrants that of course they are going to win elections

- the Conservatives weren't right wing enough

Thats always a strange one and it works for both left and right wing parties - when they fail at an election (and lets face it, they ALL failed at the last election) the party faithful always point to the leadership not having policies that conform to some imagined position more extreme to the one that they presented to the electorate.



Truth is that the ones doing the criticising are always the party faithful who would vote for the party anyway, what they never seem to understand is that its not just them that the leadership have to sell the party to - its the vast majority of floating voters who make a judgement call on what each party offers at the time, or who looks and sounds the nicest on TV.



Truth is that a party can go to the extreme right or left and they will never be elected again - no floating voter would have voted for the Conservatives in 2010 if they had wheeled out policies of the type that they are enforcing now, it would have been the best selling job of the century if they had, the coalition gave them a new mandate to enforce policies that they had never presented under the pretence that they "have to" with a compliant LibDem partnership drifting along with it.

Isn't that considered an option for NI employees?

But I have never heard any senior Labour figure make a case for anything that doersn't conform with Thatcherspeak in the last 20 years. They are simply pathetic.