And bacon will grow wings.

Areas that are currently not staffed, one assumes?

Or the jobs recently vacated by Osborne's clear-out?

And would they be paid the minimum wage ... or are you envisaging the public sector buying-into the Poundland scenario?



Are you sure you've thought this through?

Then that would require someone to be employed to provide this physical effort because what they would then be doing is in fact, [ua job[/u.



It would also require supervision, organisation and no doubt things like overalls and raw materials. They would probably need some form of insurance that covers employees and whoever it was "employing" them would need some sort of employee liability cover and so on.



In other words given what you suggest looks like a job, requires the same kind of support as job then it IS a job and so the person doing it ought to be paid a wage not benefits.



You don't half live in a simplistic world where you imagine you can give someone a mop and bucket and just tell them to get on with it. And that is being kind.

The irony of a government which by law requires an employer to pay a minimum wage at the same time insisting that a claimant does a job for far less than minimum wage is lost on too many.

Apparently, he doesn't like people being paid out of public funds for doing nothing.

Except his wife, of course (see [iBetsygate[/i) who was paid out of public funds for, erm, apparently doing nothing ... even IDS's parliamentary agent didn't think she did any actual work, only one group out of sixteen that met IDS recalled ever even meeting her ... but, hey, that was different, no-one had explained to him that you can't pay your wife out of public funds to do nothing, so he couldn't be blamed for it, could he? ... so he was let off.



He says he knows what it's like to be on benefits.

He certainly does.

They are getting a bit jumpy now, seem to have come out fighting, IDS and Osborne insisting that they are right and that everyone who has the temerity to point out inconsistencies or unfairness in their plans is using "depressingly predictive outrage", these of course are men who are more used to, and have been coached since private school, the "debating" tactic of shouting down your opponent rather than constructing a sensible argument.



So when a group of clergy question whether the poor and vulnerable in social housing are the correct targets for comparatively huge cuts to their income he shout them down with "Those who defend the current benefit system are going to complain loudly. These vested interests always complain, with depressingly predictable outrage." rather than asking them which part of his plans do they not agree with and then discussing the alternatives or the plans he has put in place to protect the vulnerable - a human response to a humane question.



And they are still shoveling the bull and propaganda for an eager section of the media to report as disgraceful justification - for instance telling a group of Morrisons workers that when he came to power in 2010 he was shocked to find that some housing benefit claims amounted to £100,000 a year and then used this as a justification for his housing benefit cap of last year and this, and the "bedroom adjustment" plan.



The number of households who received £100,000 a year in 2010 ?



Five.



And the truth is that it wouldn't have been individuals who were handed a wheelbarrow full of ten pound notes but probably private landlords who offered suitable large properties on an emergency basis on behalf of a local council to fulfill their legal duty.



I still haven't decided whether they are the idiots or their PR department are the idiots for believing that we are idiot enough to swallow this outrageous attempted justification for what is clearly a simple political dogma.

I note that IDS doesn't mention that he lives in a whopping big house complete with tennis courts etc ... for free, as it belongs to his father-in-law.

Fair enough, family helping out, nice to see, nowt wrong with that, F-in-Law making sure his daughter is sorted ... all fine and dandy.



IDS does talk about when he was unemployed though and how he looked at his wife aghast and said "What are we going to do for money?".

So, IDS claimed unemployment benefit, as was his right .... maybe back then, his titled and rich old-Etonian father-in-law wouldn't/couldn't help them out like he does now and, as IDS's wife has never had a job (except as IDS's diary secretary (but with no diary) ) maybe they really did get by just on his unemployment benefit.



Maybe, maybe ... yeah, like I'm sure they did.



I don't believe he's ever had to scrape by on just unemployment benefit.

I don't believe he knows what it's like to run out of money for food or fuel.

I do believe he's a lying, hypocritical 2@.

What a shocker. People who get free money for doing diddly squat kick off because they are soon to get less free money for doing diddly squat.



True what someone said in the Sunday Times. It's ever so easy to keep expanding the welfare state and paying out more and more in benefits. It's a lot harder to say enough is enough.



The Welfare state is in desperate need of reform. This is a start.

It actually seems harder for this lot to go after those who caused this problem in the first place, the irresponsible and possibly criminal bankers.



I have no issue with a properly thought through welfare reform, but this is not that. Its a scythe through what exists to protect people, and in particular those who are suffering because of the banks screwing up.

That statement right there - thats the bit that shows that you've swallowed the propaganda, and its not very clever propaganda either, but you believe it.



You believe that the people who are complaining are all people who get "free money" for doing "diddly squat" because thats what the compliant media told you and you turn a blind eye and ear to the non-compliant media that point out that the vast majority, VAST majority of benefits claimants are actually IN WORK and by any fools definition are not doing "diddly squat".



Keep swallowing the stories, and after they've done I've got some stuff I'd like to sell you too, just send me your credit card details ...

Ok, I'll PM you.