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| While Cameron and Hmaj are bending the rules to allow everyone who got a medal to also get an honour, why not extend the SPOTY awards as well?
Male Olympian of the year - Mo Farah
Female Olympian of the year - Jessica Ennis
Male Paralympian of the year - David Weir
Female Paralympian of the year - Ellie Simmods
Sports Personality of the year - Bradley Wiggins
Lifetime achievement award - Chris Hoy
Sportsman of the year - Andy Murray
Covers all the bases. It's impossible to pick one for the award. You can't argue that Wiggins' achievements top Murray's for example. Wiggins won the Tour de France and gold at the Olympics, unparallelled success for a British cyclist. Murray won the US Open, the first British major win in 70+ years and gold at the Olympics.
Expand, expand, EXPAND!
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"While Cameron and Hmaj are bending the rules to allow everyone who got a medal to also get an honour, why not extend the SPOTY awards as well?'"
Would make perfect sense.
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"icon_lol.gif
Red mist descends these days, on this subject, I'm afraid.
Should add, actually, that a few weeks ago, when I walking up Broadway Market one weekday evening, a cyclist sped past me on the pavement. He was yelled at by a fellow cyclist, who was walking his own bike up the opposite pavement.
There really are just a hell of a lot of the dismal ones around.'"
Living in York, I feel your pain. Apparently red lights, road markings and just general common sense doesn't seem to apply to a lot of cyclists.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"While Cameron and Hmaj are bending the rules to allow everyone who got a medal to also get an honour, why not extend the SPOTY awards as well?
Male Olympian of the year - Mo Farah
Female Olympian of the year - Jessica Ennis
Male Paralympian of the year - David Weir
Female Paralympian of the year - Ellie Simmods
Sports Personality of the year - Bradley Wiggins
Lifetime achievement award - Chris Hoy
Sportsman of the year - Andy Murray
Covers all the bases. It's impossible to pick one for the award. You can't argue that Wiggins' achievements top Murray's for example. Wiggins won the Tour de France and gold at the Olympics, unparallelled success for a British cyclist. Murray won the US Open, the first British major win in 70+ years and gold at the Olympics.
Expand, expand, EXPAND!'"
So, you're not expecting a winner from Rugby League this year then?
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"Being thumped by one in London (across the belly, with his bike, causing bruising) for refusing to get out of his way on the pavement – and the road was bloody deserted at the time.
Being sworn at several times for challenging cyclists on the pavement.
Being threatened with physical violence – "I'm going to f**king run you down!" by a woman after being spat at by her, for having the temerity to point out that she was breaking the law by cycling on the pavement (racing past me and nearly sending me flying – but hey, it was my fault, apparently).
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Just stiff arm them and knock them off (self-protection - they took you by surprise and you just stuck your arm out!). Works everytime.
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"icon_lol.gif
Red mist descends these days, on this subject, I'm afraid.
Should add, actually, that a few weeks ago, when I walking up Broadway Market one weekday evening, a cyclist sped past me on the pavement. He was yelled at by a fellow cyclist, who was walking his own bike up the opposite pavement.
There really are just a hell of a lot of the dismal ones around.'"
They also moan about the roads being unsafe when they undertake vehicles turning left at T- junctions! They are morons because the police had a bit of a purge on Clerkenwell Road a couple of months ago for a few days. It was so funnny to see so many of them go through red traffic lights and then get booked on the otherside! Even by the third day when most stopped at the lights the thicker ones were still getting caught.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"Just stiff arm them and knock them off (self-protection - they took you by surprise and you just stuck your arm out!). Works everytime.'"
You are Barrie McDermott and I claim my £5
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| Quote Him="Him"Living in York, I feel your pain. Apparently red lights, road markings and just general common sense doesn't seem to apply to a lot of cyclists.'"
I'm not sure whether it's a comfort or not to know that it's not just London.
I should add, here, that the achievements of Bradley Wiggins and assorted others were quite magnificent – special mention to the female trio who, if memory serves, broke the world record in six successive races to reach their gold.
I just felt myself dreading an increase in people getting on a bike for the first time (or the first time in years) and imagining they were sporting the yellow jersey.
Quote Him="Dally"Just stiff arm them and knock them off (self-protection - they took you by surprise and you just stuck your arm out!). Works everytime.'"
TBH, the time when I was hit across the belly by the bike was the last time I did take physical action, sidestepping to avoid having my foot ridden over, and the bloke therefore going off the pavement and into the road. He didn't take kindly to it.
Quote Him="Dally"They also moan about the roads being unsafe when they undertake vehicles turning left at T- junctions! They are morons because the police had a bit of a purge on Clerkenwell Road a couple of months ago for a few days. It was so funnny to see so many of them go through red traffic lights and then get booked on the otherside! Even by the third day when most stopped at the lights the thicker ones were still getting caught.'"
I cannot fathom why people are allowed on the roads without proper training – you wouldn't be allowed to take any other vehicle on the roads without that.
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"
and the bloke therefore going off the pavement and into the road.
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Wish I'd have seen that!
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| Quote Mintball="Mintball"I just felt myself dreading an increase in people getting on a bike for the first time (or the first time in years) and imagining they were sporting the yellow jersey.
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Having just got back on a bike (and living in The Pennines) after nearly twenty years I can assure you my lungs very quickly got rid of that notion.
I fully take your points, I wouldn't ever ride on a pavement but after one quick little jaunt (well, it wasn't that quick, a lot of it was spent pushing the bloody thing) I decided to get some training.
I think the mistake a lot of people make, especially if you used to cycle a lot, is that you just imagine you'll hop straight back on and away you go and it'll just be second nature, like it used to be.
Riding a bike is actually a pretty complicated thing to do. Well, I'm only speaking of my recent findings, it might well be an absolute stroll in the park, but I'm certainly not making it look like that!
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| Quote Dally="Dally"They also moan about the roads being unsafe when they undertake vehicles turning left at T- junctions! They are morons because the police had a bit of a purge on Clerkenwell Road a couple of months ago for a few days. It was so funnny to see so many of them go through red traffic lights and then get booked on the otherside! Even by the third day when most stopped at the lights the thicker ones were still getting caught.'"
Its always good fun to read of people having a go at road cyclists - tell me a story about a road cyclist behaving badly and I'll rebuff your claim with at least two of a motorist (including those who like to call themselves professional drivers) doing the same.
Anyone who has ever done a daily commute to work at 8am or 5pm will witness three or four potential collision incidents from bad motorists even on a short route, the only time you ever feel even slightly safe is when the inside two foot of road is painted red and signed as a cycle route, even then you're not safe from pedestrians or motorists who for whatever reason feel that the red bit is for them to use.
And yes, I drive a lot too.
As for the OP, if you disregard those who won their medals through technology and with the aid of hi-spec mechanics then you not only exclude cyclists but the Paralympic limbless runners (after all, they couldn't achieve the same on NHS artificial legs could they), and you may as well exclude all athletes for that matter as the training techniques that they use now owe far more to science than to their own endeavours.
So thats quite a ridiculous stance to take.
Sports Personality, probably Wiggins because he seems to have some, probably the two pairs of female rowers who won their own events on that wonderful mid-games Saturday as all four of them were totally used up at the end but estatic and emotionally spent and to me represented the best of olympian effort.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Its always good fun to read of people having a go at road cyclists ...'"
I was primarily having a go at pavement cyclists.
But yes, I've seen plenty of motorists do things they shouldn't – stopping on crossings and not using indicators are two favourites – but I have not had the equivalent of the incidents I mentioned with a motorist. And yes, I am aware that pedestrians also have responsibilities and are not always 'saints' in terms of their road behaviour.
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