And there speaks the voice of Brexit - broadly, it *was* about immigration; and the dog whistle nonsense of Farage, The Daily Mail and The Sun ensured that EU migrants were painted as the cause of all the ills of this country - so people voted to fix it. It now transpires not only that the campaign was based on lies and misinformation about migration, but also that the Government always had the power to limit the number of EU migrants coming here - but chose not to.



The country now faces a looming economic and social disaster, because of the total lack of conviction, honesty and effectiveness of a small group of wealthy politicians who will always be insulated from the worst impact of their actions. It's a shocker.

The same polls that had remain ahead before the vote?

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-people-changed-minds-brexit-second-referendum-poll-finds-a7795591.htmlThis[/url seems to sum it up; and this is from the polling company who predicted the Tories would have their majority wiped out, and were derided by Andrew Neil and co on Newsnight.

There was misinformation on both sides - Osborne said there would be a need for immediate tax increases if we voted to leave - that was clearly a lie.



To me the biggest issues were:

1. Immigration

2. The ability to make our own laws

3. The cost of membership

4. The EU as an organisation - its corruption and wastefulness. When was the last time its accounts were signed off?



Leaving must give the treasury a financial gain as we will no longer have the negative £9bn a year it costs to be a member - if we assume the government pays out the £5bn in subsidies that are currently coming from the EU.



So with that more monies could go into the NHS and education and social care etc.

Biased news from a Biased paper about a poll of Cordoroyites.

Assuming everything goes swimmingly for our economy thereafter eh?



I expect the time taken to get trade deals and the nature of any deals will have an influence for decades to come.



That £9bn may end up being swallowed up on things compensating for any poorer economic position we find ourselves in. I very much doubt we'll see any economic benefit.

It's not biased news you dullard - it's a report about a poll carried out by Survation - who predicted the GE result with startling accuracy, despite it being very much against the received wisdom.



More broadly, I'm shocked that anyone still remains of the view that Brexit will be good for the economy; there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that, and reams of opinion by economists and experts who are predicting that the negative effects will last for generations. I watched a Brexit documentary the other night, and Nicholas Soames MP, a true blue, bluff old Tory, described with some despair that anyone who thinks trade deals with the rest of the world will be sorted within 2 years was utterly deluded - this stuff takes years to resolve.



And if you voted because of immigration, you were duped; EU migrants are net contributors to the economy, and the Govt knew that, hence why they never used the powers they already had within the EU constitution, to limit their numbers.

I voted remain, I just don't trot out other people's opinions to validate my own, I don't need the internet to tell me what to think. Brexit is happening, what it will look like is anyone's guess, but I trust May and the Tory GOVERNMENT over a bunch of people already voted unfit for power.

There should be a cross party party group sorting out Brexit.

If you trust May, who has to control a bitterly divided party, especially in terms of Brexit, you are either very brave or, utterly foolish.

Yes, she has the job to do but, she hasn't shown any decent leadership since taking the reins and she wont lead the party through the whole of the Brexit process, there are already rumblings within the Tory party and it's only the timing of her exit that is still a mystery.

The current situation is a mess, both in terms of a flimsy government, propped up by the DUP (which in itself is not desirable) and Brexit is a worse mess.

We will be doing well to clear first base (agreeing the settlement figure) before the deadline, let alone the other details.

Polls for general elections are much easier given all past data from previous elections. You might want to read up on why they wasn't an exit poll when the Brexit vote was held and why trying to say "they got the general election prediction correct" isn't worth much.

I'll take brace or utterly foolish over saddled with bitterness and a belief in proven defunct utopian ideals.

Please explain "belief in proven defunct utopian ideals" ??



Are we talking the EU, T.May, British politics, Labours policies or, the world in general ?