Odd statement that, because it was you who chose to wade in, mistakenly accusing FA of contradicting himself after he made a reasonable post.



Talk about creating an argument where none exists.





To be clear: as I've said, we actually know nothing definite about her mental state, and those who bang on "there's more to this story" or "there is a lot more to this to come out in the wash" are simply implying and hoping for some conspiracy or sordid detail they can tut and nod meaningfully, as if they're 'in the know'. I suggest you go back to 'Loose Change', seems to be more your cup of tea.



Yes, details will emerge in an investigation. Bears also sh*t in woods. But it ain't gonna be 009 with chloroform and a rope.

Not at all. Acknowledging that there is a [isuspicion [/iof mental illness is not the same as saying "I think she was mentally ill". I would guess the majority of suicides involve mental illness to some degree.



However, none of us know what her personal demons were - indeed, none of us know whether she had any personal demons prior to this event. All we know is something humiliating happened to her and a day or so later she killed herself, and statements by the hospital and the gesture of a large donation by the radio station seem to suggest a causal link.



I do find it strange that your "first thoughts on hearing about this incident was "what a stroke of luck for the Hospital Authorities!"". I'm not sure I see your warped logic, even ignoring your lack of compassion: her death escalated worldwide media focus exponentially whereas the prank call alone would have soon fizzled out following a quick investigation and a few statements acknowledging procedural errors and subsequent changes. How was it "luck"?

I think you meant, "where there is NONE". I don't suppose it crossed your mind that if there is no argument, and you agree with (e.g.) me, what are you then posting about?



It is really, [ireally[/i stupid for you to postulate that I think I know "all the answers" to your questions, it's asinine and pure misdirection. Eg I know NOTHING about "how management dealt with it", nor could I, nor have I suggested any such thing. Indeed I did comment that reports from her family suggest they are unhappy at her treatment by the hospital. (Though other reports suggest her family didn't even know of the incident's connection with her.)



But "did she even commit suicide"? Well, yes. She did. For this I rely not on any claim to personal knowledge, or presence when it happened, or clairvoyance but on the simple reported facts, which include that she is believed to have committed suicide; that she was found hanged; that she left a suicide note for her family; that her family have not made a single reported remark questioning this point; and (pay attention to this one) that the police are not treating her death as suspicious. If you don't know what that is code for, then look it up.



In the face of the bleedin' obvious, I find completely speculative suggestions that she may have been killed to be the worst sort of baseless conspiracy speculation of which so many seem to be so fond.

You seem to have turned into FA.



We know nothing about her mental state but those who bang on about their being more to this story are all some sort of conspiracy theorists is bizarre.



I dont think there is any conspiracy but there is more to this story. You say so yourself.



When we have the information then we can draw conclusions as opposed to you who says we have not got the information but there is no conspiracy.

Eerm, I think I offered up an explanation for my viewpoint in the first paragraph of that post, but as always, happy to shine a light:



[i My first thoughts on hearing about this incident was "what a stroke of luck for the Hospital Authorities!" Their apparent failure to follow long established protocols regarding access and Media intrusion to members of the Royal Family, could now be conveniently forgotten in the witch hunt fanned by a post Leveson Press, all eager to display their "lessons have been learned credentials"[/i



Reasonably concise and pretty clear I would have thought. No hint of the conspiracies so beloved by your comedic partner FA, so which part of my opinion on why this tragic event could be spun by the Hospital is causing you difficulties? You might disagree with my rather cynical logic, but at least make an attempt to read before having an attack of the vapours.



And as for compassion. Thank you, but I'll take no lectures on that subject. Life is precious. As is the health to enjoy it, and for me, any compassion I have will not be for those who commit suicide, but will be for the family and friends who are left to pick up the pieces.

Quick, turn on Channel 5. Just your cup of tea.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not "cynical logic" - it's simply not logical at all. You say that the 'post-Leveson witch-hunt' would cover up the failure to screen the call. However, whilst the call received publicity, it was a brief flash in the pan and was already yesterday's chip paper pending an internal enquiry at the hospital. The story had passed. The world had moved on. Then, as you've already acknowledged, the 'world wide sh*tstorm' exploded with news of the suicide - and the focus and scrutiny into the events and on the hospital also exploded exponentially, out of all proportion to the original event.



Far from covering up the hospital's failures, it highlighted them to the world a hundred-fold. That's not luck at all, it's the polar opposite. Your logic isn't cynical, it's completely f*cked up. What it actually is, is you looking for some form of cover-up. Unfortunately, in your haste you got your logic wrong.





Yet your "first thought" was regarding (incorrectly) a hospital cover-up, not for the family. Perhaps you were correct with your use of the word 'cynical' earlier. What a sorry mindset.

sounds like you have accepted your post was idiotic with you seeing people suggesting conspiracy theories when no one suggested it.

In your words: "I dont think there is any conspiracy but there is more to this story".



Why do I feel I need to add a 'nudge-nudge, wink-wink' at the end of that?



"I'm not racist but..."

You still have not answered the questions. Do you think there is more to this or do you know everything.

Do you know what her Mental health was ?

do you know whether management dealt with it properly?

do you know what factors led to her death. ?

If you dont then the answer is simple there is more to this.



If you do know the answer then please enlighten us. Or are you still seeing conspiracy theorists when there are none.



A word of advice when in a hole stop digging

I suspect that whilst most of us will have a fairy or star atop our Christmas tree, in the case of Cronius or FA, it'll be a sparkly straw man.

I believe details will emerge, but nothing too exciting. Yet there you go again, implying "there is more to this" with a conspiratorial wink.







No, and I believe I said precisely this in 3 posts on page 16 alone. You're banging on about something I've already acknowledged. Do you actually read before posting or are you a bit stupid?





That depends on what you deem 'proper'. They were well within their rights to discipline her, however their solicitor has already stated they were treating it as nothing more than a prank, that she was blameless and that they were not taking disciplinary action. What do you feel would have been 'proper'?





The rope round her neck was a big factor. But we do know that she was found hanged 3 days after the call, that her husband hadn't heard from her in 2 days, and that friends have said she was "terribly upset" and "traumatised by it and the media coverage".



It may have been the call alone, or the call may have been the tipping point for other issues. We just don't know. Again, I have said this several times, but I can only assume you missed all that.



However, there are fairly strong indicators out there. That the radio station have offered AUD500,000, that the hospital have all but blamed the radio station in their letter and that the husband is "furious" at the DJs would indicate they all feel there is some causal connection between the call and her death.





A word of advice - try reading posts before you try being clever.



Oh no, of course there are no conspiracy theorists...but [i"there is more to this"[/i....