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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"Masks on public transport definitely.
Rather than go the whole hog in a couple of weeks I'd gradually increase the capacities allowed in sports grounds, clubs, shops etc and see how we're going. Not requiring check-in at venues seems to be an odd one too. It's going to mean me doing a lot more lateral flow testing before I visit vulnerable relatives, especially it we go to 100k new cases a day.
Having said all that I think a lot of people will continue to be cautious so there won't be a sudden return to how things were as if nothing happened.
Looking at today's graphs I can see a good chance of a return to restrictions before the year is out.'"
It would be very interesting to see the ages of these getting infected and their Covid jab status. How many are refusing the vaccine?
I agree regarding the return to normality it will be slow - RL can sell out 4k so that suggests people are nervous.
The government need to lay out the criteria that will lead to further restrictions - infections are irrelevant it is ICU numbers. I cannot see all the fuss and about masks tbh - there is zero interest in social distancing even Labour couldn't give a toss about it.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"It would be very interesting to see the ages of these getting infected and their Covid jab status. How many are refusing the vaccine?
I agree regarding the return to normality it will be slow - RL can sell out 4k so that suggests people are nervous.
The government need to lay out the criteria that will lead to further restrictions - infections are irrelevant it is ICU numbers. I cannot see all the fuss and about masks tbh - there is zero interest in social distancing even Labour couldn't give a toss about it.'"
The lack of interest in social distancing comes from the narrative set by the politicians and the media.
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| 2nd lockdown came in on 5th November with 2796 covid patients in a bed in Yorks and Humber peaking at 3841 on 26 January. We've got 376 today.
Like I said, I think we'll be bringing restrictions back at some point. I'd guess probably autumn/winter.
From what I've seen the majority of covid patients in hospital are the unvaccinated and those that have had only one vaccination. There is a smaller proportion that have had both but for who the vaccination hasn't been as effective for a variety of reasons.
To make a judgement based on numbers in "ICU" is a gross oversimplification and thankfully not how we make these decisions.
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| It’s the fact that with as the number of cases rise so does the risk of it mutating into something we cannot control with the current vaccines.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"2nd lockdown came in on 5th November with 2796 covid patients in a bed in Yorks and Humber peaking at 3841 on 26 January. We've got 376 today.
Like I said, I think we'll be bringing restrictions back at some point. I'd guess probably autumn/winter.
From what I've seen the majority of covid patients in hospital are the unvaccinated and those that have had only one vaccination. There is a smaller proportion that have had both but for who the vaccination hasn't been as effective for a variety of reasons.
To make a judgement based on numbers in "ICU" is a gross oversimplification and thankfully not how we make these decisions.'"
So If had 100,000 infections everyday but <5,000 hospitalisations we would lockdown again - either this vaccination works or it doesn't?
The government need to give out figures that are more meaningful - yes there was c400 went into hospital but c200 came out - what is the average stay in hospital, what was the vaccine status, how many in ICU etc.
The whole point of lockdown was to protect the NHS - nothing else - surely it is the numbers in ICU that determine what the NHS can provide - it was the bottleneck last time and turned the NHS into the NCS. It had plenty of beds - let's face it the NHS wasn't treating hardly anyone else - it was the lack of ICU wards and trained nurses that was the real issue.
Thankfully those that have been double vaccinated and those <18 don't have to self isolate if pinged by the app - and it looks like we should be able to go abroad and not have to self isolate, no bubbles in schools - progress at least.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The lack of interest in social distancing comes from the narrative set by the politicians and the media.'"
Not at all it is impractical almost impossible to achieve when society behaves with any degree of normality - how are kids supposed to observe that - let's get real here.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"So If had 100,000 infections everyday but <5,000 hospitalisations we would lockdown again - either this vaccination works or it doesn't?
The government need to give out figures that are more meaningful - yes there was c400 went into hospital but c200 came out - what is the average stay in hospital, what was the vaccine status, how many in ICU etc.
The whole point of lockdown was to protect the NHS - nothing else - surely it is the numbers in ICU that determine what the NHS can provide - it was the bottleneck last time and turned the NHS into the NCS. It had plenty of beds - let's face it the NHS wasn't treating hardly anyone else - it was the lack of ICU wards and trained nurses that was the real issue.
Thankfully those that have been double vaccinated and those <18 don't have to self isolate if pinged by the app - and it looks like we should be able to go abroad and not have to self isolate, no bubbles in schools - progress at least.'"
Was the whole point of lockdown not to save lives 
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| Quote ColD="ColD"Was the whole point of lockdown not to save lives
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The other elephant in the room is not Covid, it's all the other diseases we've been avoiding. Hospitals fill with people every year without covid being around.
There is, for example, significant concern over the other circulating corona viruses we've been avoiding. Not to worry anyone but some of those are really nasty and can potentially avoid the immune response because of covid or mask the immune system so it doesn't effectively deal with covid.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"Not at all it is impractical almost impossible to achieve when society behaves with any degree of normality - how are kids supposed to observe that - let's get real here.'"
Well, you've completely got me there ZZB, what on earth are you on about ?
(my previous post was about the narrative being set by the politicians and the media)
Kids, largely, will follow the example set by their parents, friends, teachers etc. and although there are some that dont confirm, the majority usually do.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Well, you've completely got me there ZZB, what on earth are you on about ?
(my previous post was about the narrative being set by the politicians and the media)
Kids, largely, will follow the example set by their parents, friends, teachers etc. and although there are some that dont confirm, the majority usually do.'"
There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.
As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.
Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.
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| Quote Zoo Zoo Boom="Zoo Zoo Boom"There isn't a narrative set by anybody it is simply impractical - young people - let's take university students, they caused the second lockdown because they wouldn't behave when they went back to Uni in September. It is no surprise that students are leading this wave - Leeds has a rate of over 300 where do you think the big areas are Hyde Park, Becketts/Headingley - what a shock its where all the students live. They don't care.
As for under 10s give me a break - they will simply mix with each other it is impossible to keep them apart.
Have you been to Aldi in the last year - no way you can keep 2 metres from everyone.'"
Sal in young students enjoying themselves shocker!
I'm more impressed and interested that you may have visited an Aldis. 
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