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| Quote Lovesauce="Lovesauce"Do you mean those funders who are friends of the United States?
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If Iran and Qatar are friends of the US, yes.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"I don't disagree with much of your post but your post suggests that "The East" in general is expecting "The West" to solve the problem.
Why doesn't "The East" do something?
Has "The East" actually asked "the West" to intervene? What is the way to intervene which might stop the killing?
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Welll Hamas are a terrorist organisation they cannot travel freely anywhere in the western world.
I feel i have evidenced significant examples of war crimes and " terrorism" by Israel.
Maybe if a few leaders in the west were to say that Benyamin Netanyahu Avigdor Lieberman and Benny Gantz were told they were not welcome in the west and could be arrested for poetential war crimes they might stop killing Palestinian kids 
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"Welll Hamas are a terrorist organisation they cannot travel freely anywhere in the western world.
I feel i have evidenced significant examples of war crimes and " terrorism" by Israel.
Maybe if a few leaders in the west were to say that Benyamin Netanyahu Avigdor Lieberman and Benny Gantz were told they were not welcome in the west and could be arrested for poetential war crimes they might stop killing Palestinian kids
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Clearly that wouldn't work as Hamas has killed Israeli children despite not being welcome in the West.
According to the UN, since 2000, the ratio of civilian to soldier deaths are roughly similar on both sides.
Israeli deaths - 69% civilian, 31% IDF
Palestinian - 59% civilian, 41% engaged in hostilities.
They're both as bad as each other. They (leaderships & followers) both are intransigent and reliant on the conflict to bolster and maintain their own positions and strengths.
It needs a powerful outside organisation to broker a deal. The only option is the Americans as the UN is too chaotic and toothless.
But the American (and most in the world) political system makes it almost impossible (or at least very difficult) for a US President to broker a deal that simultaneously puts significant pressure on Israel whilst providing the legitimate safeguards they'd want.
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| Quote Him="Him"Clearly that wouldn't work as Hamas has killed Israeli children despite not being welcome in the West.
According to the UN, since 2000, the ratio of civilian to soldier deaths are roughly similar on both sides.
Israeli deaths - 69% civilian, 31% IDF
Palestinian - 59% civilian, 41% engaged in hostilities.
They're both as bad as each other. They (leaderships & followers) both are intransigent and reliant on the conflict to bolster and maintain their own positions and strengths.
It needs a powerful outside organisation to broker a deal. The only option is the Americans as the UN is too chaotic and toothless.
But the American (and most in the world) political system makes it almost impossible (or at least very difficult) for a US President to broker a deal that simultaneously puts significant pressure on Israel whilst providing the legitimate safeguards they'd want.'"
What is your source for those stats i cannot find them anywhere.
I would say that after 2005 those stats are completely wrong as Israel moved all of their citizens out of Gaza and built the walls all over the place. You also seem to be linking all the earlier incidents which did not involve Gaza at all such as bombings in jerusalem.
Since 2005 the death tolls have been significantly lopsided in respect of those who have died and those who who have been combatants or civilians.
None of this alters the fact that Hamas is still seen as the agressor and terrorist whilst Israel is the victim and the legitimate force.
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| I just realised those stats from the UN only went up to 2007.
But there are stats from BTSelem that show a similar rate both from 2000 to now and from more recent periods to now.
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| Quote Durham Giant="Durham Giant"Welll Hamas are a terrorist organisation they cannot travel freely anywhere in the western world.'"
Quote Durham Giant="yet in the same breath, Durham Giant"... Maybe if a few leaders in the west were to say that Benyamin Netanyahu Avigdor Lieberman and Benny Gantz were told they were not welcome in the west and could be arrested for poetential war crimes they might stop killing Palestinian kids
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So, removing the ability to "travel freely in the Western world" would be the thing that would stop the bombing. Like it has done with Hamas, you mean?
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"As opposed to say, Israel, who have just ignored a fair number of UN resolutions instead?
Both sides are as bad as each other. Politicians and/or terrorists, but its the innocent that suffer.'"
Isreal have actually broken 65 UN resolutions since 1950 and faced no punishment
Iraq broke 2 and were bombed to oblivion.
But then I wouldnt expect Saddo to know this given he gets his info from wiki, Sky news and BBC news
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| Quote Lebron James="Lebron James"Isreal have actually broken 65 UN resolutions since 1950 and faced no punishment
Iraq broke 2 and were bombed to oblivion.
But then I wouldnt expect Saddo to know this given he gets his info from wiki, Sky news and BBC news
#opsavegaza
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I did say they were as bad as each other if you read it properly. Meanwhile, keep following Joey Barton on Twitter and favouriting all his tweets.
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| For three years we have witnessed genocide being committed on a vast scale in Syria. an estimated 140K dead, millions forced into refugee camps, civilian areas being deliberately targeted for attacks by chemical weapons and poisonous gases, and the spectacle of Sunni Muslins happily slaughtering their Shia brothers.
And yet, not one crocodile tear is shed by the Durham Giants of this world. Not one wee Syrian flag is waved in protest. Not the slightest squeak from that motley band of perpetually offended.
I wonder why. no really.....
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| Quote rumpelstiltskin="rumpelstiltskin"For three years we have witnessed genocide being committed on a vast scale in Syria. an estimated 140K dead, millions forced into refugee camps, civilian areas being deliberately targeted for attacks by chemical weapons and poisonous gases, and the spectacle of Sunni Muslins happily slaughtering their Shia brothers.
And yet, not one crocodile tear is shed by the Durham Giants of this world. Not one wee Syrian flag is waved in protest. Not the slightest squeak from that motley band of perpetually offended.
I wonder why. no really.....'"
Not just that but a much more powerful US, UK et al killing thousands of Iraqis when not even threatened by them. Then calling the military personnel "heroes."
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"I did say they were as bad as each other if you read it properly. Meanwhile, keep following Joey Barton on Twitter and favouriting all his tweets.'"
Really? Is that the best you've got? I follow Joey Barton? Laughable. But what I would expect from you
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Israeli soldier boasts on social media about how many children he killed yesterday.
countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/i ... ign=buffer
meanwhile, fresh from condemning the Israel attack on a UN School, 'murica decides to restock Israel with Ammunition. The great american corporate war machine rolls on.
#gazaunderattack
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Israeli soldier boasts on social media about how many children he killed yesterday.
countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/i ... ign=buffer
meanwhile, fresh from condemning the Israel attack on a UN School, 'murica decides to restock Israel with Ammunition. The great american corporate war machine rolls on.
#gazaunderattack
#tangodown
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