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Seems the PM has had a reprimand from the UK Statistics authority, which is the watchdog that monitors misuse of official data, over the Conservative party political broadcast last week where he claimed "we are paying down Britain's debts".
Quote we are paying down Britain's debtsChair of the UK Statistics Authority, Andrew Dilnot, confirmed on Friday that public sector net debt has risen from £811bn in 2010 when the coalition took office to £1.1tn at the end of last year.'"
What Cameron could have said was that the annual deficit (between spending and income) is lower than it was in 2010, although it may get be higher in the current financial year than it was last year so dodgy ground that one. By talking in terms of 'paying down debts' he has given an incorrect message.
This shows something about Cameron and also the people round him in Conservative party HQ who will have written his speech. If this had been a speech in official capacity as UK Prime Minister, he would never have been authorised to say those words because his private office would have edited it out.
It's a little worrying that people in Conservative party HQ who are close enough to Cameron to write his scripts, would make a howler like that, and also I'm baffled that Cameron himself didn't pick up on it and went and said it to the camera. You can't even really use the argument that he knew it wasn't quite true but was trying to blag people because he must have known any false statement would be picked up by the Opposition or media and be a PR disaster.
I can't imagine Brown or Blair, or Major or Thatcher making a mistake like this.
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www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013 ... ebt-claims
Seems the PM has had a reprimand from the UK Statistics authority, which is the watchdog that monitors misuse of official data, over the Conservative party political broadcast last week where he claimed "we are paying down Britain's debts".
Quote we are paying down Britain's debtsChair of the UK Statistics Authority, Andrew Dilnot, confirmed on Friday that public sector net debt has risen from £811bn in 2010 when the coalition took office to £1.1tn at the end of last year.'"
What Cameron could have said was that the annual deficit (between spending and income) is lower than it was in 2010, although it may get be higher in the current financial year than it was last year so dodgy ground that one. By talking in terms of 'paying down debts' he has given an incorrect message.
This shows something about Cameron and also the people round him in Conservative party HQ who will have written his speech. If this had been a speech in official capacity as UK Prime Minister, he would never have been authorised to say those words because his private office would have edited it out.
It's a little worrying that people in Conservative party HQ who are close enough to Cameron to write his scripts, would make a howler like that, and also I'm baffled that Cameron himself didn't pick up on it and went and said it to the camera. You can't even really use the argument that he knew it wasn't quite true but was trying to blag people because he must have known any false statement would be picked up by the Opposition or media and be a PR disaster.
I can't imagine Brown or Blair, or Major or Thatcher making a mistake like this.
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The more they continue on their pilgrimage the more I'm convinced of one of two things (haven't made my mind up which of the two it is yet)...
1. They have not the first clue of what they are doing, they are like the scene in Titantic seconds after the iceberg has been spotted and the captain has given the orders for full astern and spun the wheel all the way to the left but the ship continues on its merry way smack into the iceberg - the look on the captains face is the same look on Osbornes these days.
2. They know exactly what they are doing, they know exactly what they are saying, there is a different agenda to what they are publically stating behind their Plan A.
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What would the deficit have been if we had not had any cuts?
Would it have actually gone down?
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"The more they continue on their pilgrimage the more I'm convinced of one of two things (haven't made my mind up which of the two it is yet)...
1. They have not the first clue of what they are doing, they are like the scene in Titantic seconds after the iceberg has been spotted and the captain has given the orders for full astern and spun the wheel all the way to the left but the ship continues on its merry way smack into the iceberg - the look on the captains face is the same look on Osbornes these days.
2. They know exactly what they are doing, they know exactly what they are saying, there is a different agenda to what they are publically stating behind their Plan A.'"
I am more convinced that is is the second of your theories.
They know all too well that they can invest in growig the economy without it impacting too much on our debt levels. They are seizing the opportunity to shrink the state, regardless of the impact on the general population, so that their mates and backers can profit from privatisation. All under the banners of "austerity" and "all in it together". |
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They know all too well that they can invest in growig the economy without it impacting too much on our debt levels. =#FF0000They are seizing the opportunity to shrink the state, regardless of the impact on the general population, so that their mates and backers can profit from privatisation. All under the banners of "austerity" and "all in it together".'"
That is the long and short of it.
The reality is that you cut the state so much people say it is not working and then it is easy to say, This part of the state is not working therefore we have to privatise it.
My ex is a deputy head in a inner city comprehensive. She spends so much time dealing with kids who are on Heroin and the fall out that she spends little time on teaching.
The school like others used to have what was called value added ( I dont know all the correct technical terms) to exam results to show whether it was it successful school or not. Basically that took into account social factors and how the school did with the children who came to it from Primaries.
That value added element is now being removed so the school will be regarded as failing after it's next OFSTED inspection. Hey ho a short trip to being made an academy and effectively being privatised
Once there are enough schools out of LA control it wil be easy to privayise them, introduce regional pay and then companies or "Charities" who take over schools will start asking parents for finacial incentives to keep the children in those schools.
The same is happening in Hospitals, Local Authorities etc.
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[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21310735[/url
That report (above) suggests that someone is lying.
You can't be increasing the numbers of front-line nursing staff and at the same time have front-line nurses admitting that their staffing levels are dangerously low due to cuts.
Its impossible for both statements to be correct.
And of course, those posters in 2010, the ones that promised the NHS was safe in a particular persons hands, he's got to be telling the truth hasn't he ?
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After G4S repatriated responsibility for stewarding the 2012 Olympics, not [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/10/atos-outsource-medical-assessments?CMP=twt_guAtos outsource medical assessments to the NHS[/url
This is how it works: take the money, buy a nice big beef rib, then throw the dog the bone
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just what were the labour party thinking when they gave atos these contracts? |
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You mean the contract in question, the one mentioned specifically in that article ?
The £400m contract awarded in August 2012, that one ? |
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who'd have thought it, the tories want to shrink the state. it's almost like it's their political ideology. and like fools people actually think they're lying and go ahead and vote for them anyway. they should be more like the labour party who want to grow the state, then realise they've spent up and decide they should really shrink the state, alan johnson had £70bn of cuts in mind, £35bn from cuts in public services.
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who'd have thought it, the tories want to shrink the state. it's almost like it's their political ideology. and like fools people actually think they're lying and go ahead and vote for them anyway. they should be more like the labour party who want to grow the state, then realise they've spent up and decide they should really shrink the state, alan johnson had £70bn of cuts in mind, £35bn from cuts in public services.
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The £400m contract awarded in August 2012, that one ?'"
"these contracts" plural. atos seem to be killing people and now subcontracting back to the nhs. i'm just wondering what the labour party were thinking doling out this work in the first place. once again, the party of the ordinary people, beat the tories to punch.
Quote JerryChickenTo secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service. '" |
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Quote samwire="samwire"who'd have thought it, the tories want to shrink the state. it's almost like it's their political ideology. and like fools people actually think they're lying and go ahead and vote for them anyway. they should be more like the labour party who want to grow the state, then realise they've spent up and decide they should really shrink the state, alan johnson had £70bn of cuts in mind, £35bn from cuts in public services.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/a ... 786793.stm
they should really make up their minds. big state, small state?'"
Because, as has been said to you many, many times before, thats the problem with football supporter style political followers.
Its not a red and blue world, if it was then the sort of politics that Harold Wilson and Ted Heath practiced, which are the sort that you describe above, would still be applicable - they aren't, the stereotypes that you describe are several decades out of date, but don't worry you're not the only one, I know Americans who still think that electing a Labour government in the UK is akin to letting the communists in. |
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Quote samwire="samwire"who'd have thought it, the tories want to shrink the state. it's almost like it's their political ideology. and like fools people actually think they're lying and go ahead and vote for them anyway. they should be more like the labour party who want to grow the state, then realise they've spent up and decide they should really shrink the state, alan johnson had £70bn of cuts in mind, £35bn from cuts in public services.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/a ... 786793.stm
they should really make up their minds. big state, small state?'"
Because, as has been said to you many, many times before, thats the problem with football supporter style political followers.
Its not a red and blue world, if it was then the sort of politics that Harold Wilson and Ted Heath practiced, which are the sort that you describe above, would still be applicable - they aren't, the stereotypes that you describe are several decades out of date, but don't worry you're not the only one, I know Americans who still think that electing a Labour government in the UK is akin to letting the communists in. | |
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