That's true enough. Generally I think the standard of the sides has been pretty poor for a while. Saints had that period of domination and nobody could put a regular challenge together year in, year out. We've had a couple of years now and I do think we've been pushed a bit harder in general but again there isn't a stand out side that you're unsure if Wigan can get over the top of at their very best.

What the league could do with us 3 or 4 sides to hit that level Saints reached or Wigan have hit over a sustained period, to then build those rivalries that are fierce and where you genuinely have no idea who the favourites are in the biggest games. I'm not sure we've had a Grand Final where you hand on heart couldn't call it for years now. Any team can always lose a game on the day but you've known who the favourites are. As I say, I do think there some signs of improvement via HKR, Warrington and Catalans again look strong for 2025. You'd also imagine there will be some improvement in Saints and they'll always be there or thereabouts. Leeds look to be really trying to change things up as well and Arthur will have them well drilled and Salford and Leigh are making decent moves, so it won't be straightforward. Hopefully for the games sake, a few sides really kick on and make it a free for all come the end of the season.

You can only beat what is in front of you.

I'm curious what Saints fans see as their best wins from the 4 in a row era, outside of beating Penrith. There really didn't seem to be that much competition.

For me the best win under Pete is beating Saints in the cup semi.

The closest I can think for them is winning the 2020 Grand Final. Difference being they were still on their run while we were in the middle of a transition.

The other one is when they annihilated us in the 2019 play offs, not a good game but an amazing performance.

2020 they scrapped passed a side that was starting Brad Singleton and Joe Bullock at prop, with a very young Oli Partington at loose forward.

2019 against us late in the season was their best performance, we couldn’t get out of our own 20

The Catalan team was a good one in 23,the HKR was a good one in 24,so now we have beat 2 very good ones.

Now that Wigan are winning it isnt down just to the coach and players we must factor in our owner and his cash even though Lenaghan started it,is there a cap still in place and other teams have brought in new players etc to hopefully win a trophy or 2.

What we have is a culture created by Radders and Peet that has got the feeling of togetherness between the team and fans not seen for a few years,its really good to be a Wigan fan or player at the min.If we go on to win more trophies it will be down to those factors not just down to cash as some people want to imply.
Other clubs have money upto the cap how they spend it is down to them to spend it wisely or not.

A culture created by radders? Lmao he’s been in charge for like 20 years. He’s finally got it right after years of failure and you think he’s some kind of bill gates lol

20 years ago Radders said the culture was wrong then and through time it has changed with him and Peet and to be honest Lenaghan as well so yes my little fellow Kris has been a part of this culture revolution.

So in all of those years of 'failure' we still won plenty of trophies. Now he is getting it right 'in your words Steph' we look pretty formidable. We have a succession plan for players in all positions and only the best make it through. We have the best young coach in the game and the wealthiest owner who is investing in improving the already top notch facilities (which is something any owner could do if they wanted to) We already have by far the best side in the league and it's young. Any team that could topple us would be well deserved. It won't be Saints, not for a while yet, It won't be Hull KR and it wont be Catalans. Warrington look the main dangers but Leeds are recruiting well and could be back next season.

Wild Saturday nights in again for Robert.

Do we?