PC Plum wrote:This contribution only served to remind me how I have so often questioned why this pointless Giants club still exist in SL. A crowd base that whilst marginally better than ours is hugely embarrassing for a team where the game was born, but the big difference, London offer potential, Huddersfield does not. As for the ground, second class citizens at a hugely oversized ground vs a tidy, small venue appropriate to current demands.
I really wouldn't waste my time on idiots like this poster. He supports a side that is dwarfed in terms of support by it's local soccer side, who have been saved from relegation on more occasions than I can recount.....The club was known as Huddersfield Barracudas from 1984–88 and Huddersfield-Sheffield Giants (after a merger with the original Sheffield Eagles) for the 2000 season......they've had more bail outs than we've had home grounds (that's going some) and have won nothing of note for over 57 years......if it hadn't been for the daft 888 system, we'd have been rid of them completely in 2016. They rely on a sole benefactor and 5,000 fans rattling around a stadium with 20,000 empty seats.........yes, London play out of a wedding venue with 1,000 or so fans, but the irony of this prat throwing stones in a glasshouse is quite astounding........9,121.....that's how many FREE tickets Huddersfield residents bothered picking up last year for the Catalans visit........we got 12k for our freebie v you in 2006......and we were playing in a Union ground!
JESUS WEPT HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them.
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Call Me God wrote:I really wouldn't waste my time on idiots like this poster. He supports a side that is dwarfed in terms of support by it's local soccer side, who have been saved from relegation on more occasions than I can recount.....The club was known as Huddersfield Barracudas from 1984–88 and Huddersfield-Sheffield Giants (after a merger with the original Sheffield Eagles) for the 2000 season......they've had more bail outs than we've had home grounds (that's going some) and have won nothing of note for over 57 years......if it hadn't been for the daft 888 system, we'd have been rid of them completely in 2016. They rely on a sole benefactor and 5,000 fans rattling around a stadium with 20,000 empty seats.........yes, London play out of a wedding venue with 1,000 or so fans, but the irony of this prat throwing stones in a glasshouse is quite astounding........9,121.....that's how many FREE tickets Huddersfield residents bothered picking up last year for the Catalans visit........we got 12k for our freebie v you in 2006......and we were playing in a Union ground!
.....and to add to all that Schofield once coached them
In other news, 1,419 in attendance. That is shocking......and proof again that we are relying on "away" fans to boost our attendances.
JESUS WEPT HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them.
Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number-- Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you-- Ye are many -- they are few.'
Dog, not sure what your point is! We know we are going to be reliant on away fans, our fan base is not going to suddenly jump from a core of 8 900 to a few thousand.. Keep getting the club in the press, keep the profile high, keep putting in good performances it will build.
The telling number is going to be easter thus! Catalan May bring a dozen, so that will indicate what the home support is.
Catalan game being on Thursday, the reason for which I understand, will make it awkward for many fans. Those who drive any distance will be up against it with the traffic being very heavy due to the holiday. We are taking the train to this game, for the first time in ages. So I expect a low attendance.
northernbloke wrote:Dog, not sure what your point is!
lol...really?
You think getting 1,400 for a top flight game in the nations capital is OK do you? Your as daft as a bag of spanners if you think a few bits of PR will have fans flocking to games. The core fan-base used to number 3,000-3,500.........care to hazard a guess as to where the blame lies for alienating them?
Said person moved us out of a perfectly good stadium, took us to a north london car-park where the RFL had to bribe the landlord to take us in, spat his dummy out when we got hammered in the cup and as a direct result took us down to the championship and playing out of a wedding venue and has done nothing.....not one thing to make us 1% less reliant on his money in 12 years of ownership..........and yet you think a bit of fluffy PR means that the fans will be flocking to see us? We had 8k for the first visit of Wigan under his tenure.........5,500 fewer for their most recent visit......he has destroyed the club as a professional entity. The year he took over, Saracens RFU were playing out of Vicarage Road and averaged 9,000 and we were getting just shy of 5k.....they're now on 13k average with a stadium they can call home whilst we are sub 2k in a rented venue where we have little or no say in any part of the running of the business.......the year he took over, Wasps were in Milton Keynes paying rent with an 11k average , they now own their own stadium with a 16k average this year.....applaud his some more why don't you
JESUS WEPT HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them.
Yes the three of us wont be at Cats game, its very tricky to get there on a Thur evening. However as we are ST holders, we will still probably count as attended even though we won't be there
Dog! No! I didn’t say it was acceptable! Show me! Nations capital however has nothing to do with it, the club is in an area that is flush with other sports, so getting interest back for what is a minor sport in this country outside a stadium heartland is not straight forward.
Just because we went from Champ to SL is not going to get thousands coming back, no matter how much marketing you do.
As for you looking back and having a dig at folk, it’s gone its the past, you me no one can change it, so stop whining on about it
Getting the attendance figures backup ain’t happening overnight! Those 3000 found other things to attract them So yes the fact is away fans are important! Let’s try and make sure they want to come again.
Keep the club in the National and local news,keep the interest up on social media, yes marketing as well. But what ever you do it ain’t happening over night.
Pointing the finger and saying “it’s all his fault” achieves what exactly? And who am I applauding and when?
northernbloke wrote:Blah blah blah..... Nations capital however has nothing to do with it, the club is in an area that is flush with other sports, ............blah blah blah.....
2 things stand out here. Firstly, the nations capital has a population of 10,000,000 or so souls, of which I would hazzard a guess that 10% of them are ex-pat Northerners. A I have documented in the past, when we played Wigan or Leeds at Griffin Park or in the first couple of years at The Stoop 2.0, we would get 5k fans........there was maybe 2 more coach-loads of fans than we'd get for say Wakefield, but at least 1,500 more fans in attendance. This points to a great number of these people being, in all probability, ex-pat Wiganers/Loiners who live in London and came out to watch their club. The fact that we can't get any more than 1,000 Londoners to support the club regularly is a disgrace..........remember that 50% of the TV audience is southern based if you believe the PR from the RFL/BBC/SKY........so why won't they come and watch us? And when I ask where the missing 2,500 have gone, I will always directly lay the blame for their loss at the feet of the person responsible.....the old saying in business is that it can take years to find a customer and seconds to lose them.....
...secondly. I called Brentford/Chiswick/Ealing/Hanwell my home for some 20 years. I can assure you that other than Brentford FC (and at a push, Harlequins) there's really not a lot else on our doorstep. QPR are nearer central London than Ealing, non-league soccer clubs are almost as niche as trainspotters and ourselves, club cricket is quite popular, but generally played on a Saturday, so no, the club is not in an area flush with other sports. This is just a soundbite you use to try and prove a point that isn't worth proving.
Forgetting the past........what is our future? David gets hit by a bus tomorrow........what happens to the club? David decides to enjoy retirement and walks away.......what happens to the club?
Failing to plan for our future Post Hughes is a disaster in the making.....I and great many other fans who have long since stopped being regular attendees can see this, but you can't. So please, be indignant and tell me as many times as you like to "forget the past, it's gone", but do not act astounded when in the next 5 or 6 years I am proven to be right......as I was right when I first started banging this drum 16+ Years ago.......without a plan for a secondary stream of financing, be that from more fans, bigger sponsors or new investment, the club will fold on the basis of the health/interest of its owner.......that really isn't a healthy state of affairs now, is it?
JESUS WEPT HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.
There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them.
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