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| Quote vbfg="vbfg"I would take David Cameron as Labour leader right now if it meant an effective opposition to what's coming. I would take one entire half of the Tory party as opposition to the wing that currently has a mandate if that's what it takes.
The most important thing right now is an opposition. We've got a two year process to turn everything upside down to come, and the only opposition to that that counts will happen in Parliament. "Fsck the PLP" is a concept as destructive to progressive values as voting out in the first place.
I voted for Corbyn as leader. I do not expect him to win an election at any time. My real interest in him was dragging the Overton window to the left a little. I genuinely think he's a decent man and it's not personal ambition. He did get a mandate from the membership, and I do feel he's fighting to protect that mandate in their name.
But I also think that he's fscking poop. He's not a leader. He's a representative. They have never needed leadership more than at this moment in time. Individually everyone's cool but, as is true for all parties, the combined view of the membership is crazy.
Say you fight and fight and fight and then lose. Consider how you will react to that. If it's to thank the party for their trust, and then go spend an afternoon on the allotment whilst barely thinking about it then you're a fscking wastrel nugget completely unsuited to the demands of the role. Particularly in this unique moment in history.'"
Pretty much summed up what I've done and what I think, right up to and including the use of the term Overton Window.
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www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... y-fear-him
Another. It's hard to believe this article was written almost a year ago during the first leadership campaign. Everything, [ieverything[/i that Owen Jones predicted in his article has either come to fruition or we are witnessing daily now.
Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.
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www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... y-fear-him
Another. It's hard to believe this article was written almost a year ago during the first leadership campaign. Everything, [ieverything[/i that Owen Jones predicted in his article has either come to fruition or we are witnessing daily now.
Jones is either clairvoyant or a very clever political analyst. It is all so frighteningly contrived. We, the public, are pawns played like the proverbial fiddle. Scary stuff.
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| By "refreshing" I assume you mean putting across views that chime with your own? They are both utter tripe as far as I can tell. The establishment might well fear a move towards socialism, but that has not and will not ever happen under Corbyn.
Perhaps the oddest thing for me with respect to so much of the commentary in favour of Corbyn is the sheer hypocrisy of it.
Firstly Corbynistas (I feel able to use that ridiculous term because Corbyn acolytes love to do the same) constantly bemoan him being demonised by the press whilst happily demonising Labour MPs who don't rate him (Blairites, Bliarites, Tory Lites, Neo-Libs, Red Tories etc etc).
The second issue is the irony of ignoring Corbyn's history of defying the party whip yet complaining about disloyalty of others. Somehow when Jeremy defied the party it was a moral stance, and yet when MPs defy him its disloyal? Just staggering hypocrisy.
The worst thing is that when some Labour MPs have reported threats from supposed Labour supporters for their lack of loyalty to the great man (who unlike Corbyn's fans actually have to work with him), its downplayed as just part of the hurly burly of politics, aided by Corbyn's pathetically lukewarm response. Corbyn himself has made (very thinly) veiled threats about deselection for MPs who who show disloyalty to him.
If it wasn't a major threat to democracy this whole thing would be laughable. Sadly the Judean People's Front vs People's Front of Judea is being played out real time by the supposed opposition.
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| Quote vbfg="vbfg"I'm not going to help fund its slow death and accelerating irrelevance either.'"
I'm not even kicking around for the vote.
Not my party any more. I quit on Saturday.
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| For the record, I would have abandoned all principles to support the candidate who, when sending canvassing emails and texts, used the preferred name I supplied instead of my full first and middle names in all caps. It's an experience not unlike being shouted at by my mother.
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