Joined: Jul 31 2003 Posts: 36786 Location: Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
WormInHand wrote:But there was one hell of a big difference in ability and desire shown after 60 minutes, and it's reasonable to question why.
Not trying to offend, but this is rubbish. There was plenty of desire on display for the full 80 minutes. What was lacking in the first 60 minutes was execution and direction.
Hold on to me baby, his bony hands will do you no harm It said in the cards, we lost our souls to the Nameless One
I don't think Radders is the man to take us were we all want to be but I believe what he said today stating after the widnes defeat the confidence was shot which lead to a safety first one man rugby style against Wakefield and into the game today. He said the fact Carlos went off probably didn't help and you can totally see his point. What I struggle with was he said once we got our confidence in defence that lead to us been more adventurous in attack. I get the statement but we was 20-0 down. Hope we don't have to leak 20 every game to spark our attacking confidence. At the end of the day it was a amazing come back and we should all just enjoy and savior it. It's only a matter of time before were back down to earth with a bump.
Below is what ChrisH wrote on the Good Friday/match thread. This openly states that Radford wanted to play conservative rugby today. That he hasn't mentioned it out loud doesn't mean that has not being the case in either of the three defeats. What was apparent was a complete lack of mstvh preparation, basic skills, not addressing samevold issues and so on. This was replicated again today until the hour mark. Any credit given to Radford to changing the game plan is dubious, however and for whatever reason it did change. What matters now is that Radford grasps that his wsy is not working and he works with the players to play to our strenghts and not crawl under a rock and let the opposition exploit our weaknesses.
"Radford's attitude and comments worry me. He's talking about them being juiced up , scoring points and us having to not be the Harlem Globetrotters and concentrate on what we do without the ball etc. surely we should be looking to dominate a depleted KR side with only one win and looking to play good football and score points. If we go there to try to stop them we'll get on the back foot and lose badly. To me ,if his comments haven't been taken out of context , it's just the wrong message
quote="Kosh"]It makes less sense that a coach would look at our first two win and decide to completely change the way we play.
I suspect that the players got carried away and took Cas too lightly. Losing that game they way they did dented their confidence, and that was further exacerbated by the Wigan defeat. Then the Widnes fiasco happened.
Everything that the senior players and Radford have said in public indicates that the team has not been following the game play set out by the coaching staff. Radford's description of how he told the players to open up today further strengthens the feeling that this has been the case. On the flip side I haven't seen a single convincing argument for Radford suddenly adopting a conservative game plan.[/quote]
Irregular Hoops wrote:I can take defeats if we are at least trying to play rugby. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry today. We proved we can play rugby when we want to, and makes the first sixty minutes all the more baffling. And frustrating. I hope this is a turning point and we play in a less structured way (attack wise) from hereonin. We have the players to do it.
Exactly my thoughts. We were utter rubbish for an hour yesterday and were within a whisker of losing to one of the worst sides in SL which shouldn't be happening. Great to get the win but we need a major improvement and quickly
Kosh wrote:No. No it isn't. Just the opposite, in fact. Why would you need to implore a side to change to a playstyle that they allegedly prefer and have only abandoned on strict instructions from the coach?
Implore means to plead, BTW. As per my previous statements.
Any way you look at it, it just doesn't wash.
Why didn't he do his imploring at half time? Seems bizarre to leave it so late. In fact, why wasn;t that style of play drilled into them all week if that's how radford wanted it playing? Either that was his plan and the players ignored it or it wasn't his plan at all, Do you think wayne bennett does imploring?
Joined: Mar 14 2003 Posts: 25960 Location: Back in Hull.
Jake the Peg wrote:Exactly my thoughts. We were utter rubbish for an hour yesterday and were within a whisker of losing to one of the worst sides in SL which shouldn't be happening. Great to get the win but we need a major improvement and quickly
Exactly, it's how we kick on from here, starting Monday, we don't even need to beat Warrington, but must improve our overall play.
Joined: Feb 21 2003 Posts: 3460 Location: West Hull
Kosh wrote:
WormInHand wrote:But there was one hell of a big difference in ability and desire shown after 60 minutes, and it's reasonable to question why.
Not trying to offend, but this is rubbish. There was plenty of desire on display for the full 80 minutes. What was lacking in the first 60 minutes was execution and direction.
It's not rubbish and worm is right.
Desire comes in many forms.
Desire to get up and play the ball quickly. Desire to get back in the defensive line and then move up quickly to meet the attack. Desire to get in the right place for a planned move. Desire to make a dummy run. Desire to backup and support a team mate.
Most of this desire wasn't evident in the first 60 mins.
Joined: Feb 11 2014 Posts: 1073 Location: Hill Valley
Some very good points been made here but none that make 100% sense.
Why would Radford start us off with an ad-hoc style, which got results and had the fans jubilant, only to then drop it for boring one man rugby? I can understand the safety first approach against Wakey last week as we had lost the previous three games and needed the win. But the games before that and then continuing that approach yesterday? Makes no sense to me.
So if it's not the coach and it's the players not following instructions then why aren't they doing that? It was working so well for us that it seems so hard to believe they would prefer the more conservative approach and are only willing to be adventurous when there's nothing to lose. So is it a confidence thing? If so why would they suddenly regain that confidence at 20-0 down?
Whatever is going on I hope yesterday is used as a lesson by both sides that we look more potent and threatening when we take off the shackles. We won't win every match playing that style but we'll always be in with a chance playing that way.
Joined: Jul 31 2003 Posts: 36786 Location: Leafy Worcester, home of the Black Pear
Jake the Peg wrote:Why didn't he do his imploring at half time? Seems bizarre to leave it so late. In fact, why wasn;t that style of play drilled into them all week if that's how radford wanted it playing? Either that was his plan and the players ignored it or it wasn't his plan at all, Do you think wayne bennett does imploring?
Maybe he told them at half time and then stepped it up to implore once it was clear they hadn't listened?
And I believe I said above that this raises other questions.
I don't rate Radford as a coach. At all. I'm just not a fan of conspiracy theories.
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