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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:11 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:34 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:Deary me. What sort of accounts wouldn't "mention called up share capital"? Of course there are loans, but there's no detail. The crystallisation of the liability re Manu's EBT is ambiguous, but appears potentially to straddle the 2014 year end. As for Sneyd, the accounts are clear that the fee is amortised over the life of his contract.

I didnt mention Sneyd, as generally in puffball and RL fees are run over contracts.

Anyway

My post assumed there would be no detail in the accounts, thank you for confirming that, its all i simply asked, no need to jump up and down.

My point about the EBT

AP has presided over 2 years of non payments, that were probably in the accounts as paid

Plenty on here jumping up and down wanting "forensic audits" of the SMC accounts,

i hope ours are clean........






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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:34 pm 
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:So basically you don't know with respect to Manu and are guessing :lol:

The question was whether Manu's payout, reported as £200k, was included in the £74k loss. Given it accrued over several years I expect it would have been reflected over a longer period in the accounts. You were challenging the principle. Cash accounting isn't really on trend in the UK. Policy of amortisation on Sneyd's fee is explicit.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:38 pm 
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frepneyboy wrote:I didnt mention Sneyd, as generally in puffball and RL fees are run over contracts.

Anyway

My post assumed there would be no detail in the accounts, thank you for confirming that, its all i simply asked, no need to jump up and down.

My point about the EBT

AP has presided over 2 years of non payments, that were probably in the accounts as paid

Plenty on here jumping up and down wanting "forensic audits" of the SMC accounts,

i hope ours are clean........


I don't get what you mean. If there's a liability created, it hits the P&L and you either pay it out in cash or create a provision in the balance sheet.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:50 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:I don't get what you mean. If there's a liability created, it hits the P&L and you either pay it out in cash or create a provision in the balance sheet.

Lets talk laymens terms for the viewers benefit.

Say Manu did 5 years here, each year £40k went into the pot, so every year the accounts show £40k paid to the pot.

The money never went

So for 5 years accounts this payment was never made. Where did the £200k go?

And as AP has now had to pay the full £200k, he'll stump that in personally, still doesnt say what happened to the £200k that "had been paid" but infact never was.

Follow the cash.......






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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:53 pm 
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frepneyboy wrote:Lets talk laymens terms for the viewers benefit.

Say Manu did 5 years here, each year £40k went into the pot, so every year the accounts show £40k paid to the pot.

The money never went

So for 5 years accounts this payment was never made. Where did the £200k go?

And as AP has now had to pay the full £200k, he'll stump that in personally, still doesnt say what happened to the £200k that "had been paid" but infact never was.

Follow the cash.......


Years 1-5 Debit P&L, Credit Provisions in the balance sheet, no impact on cash.
Payment - Debit Provisions, Credit either cash or loans.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
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frepneyboy wrote:Lets talk laymens terms for the viewers benefit.

Say Manu did 5 years here, each year £40k went into the pot, so every year the accounts show £40k paid to the pot.

The money never went

So for 5 years accounts this payment was never made. Where did the £200k go?

And as AP has now had to pay the full £200k, he'll stump that in personally, still doesnt say what happened to the £200k that "had been paid" but infact never was.

Follow the cash.......

You're not an accountant then?






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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
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Jake the Peg wrote:You're not an accountant then?

What do you do for a toil?

I dont need to be an accountant to ask Barista a question, and she doesnt need to be an accountant to answer it.






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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
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frepneyboy wrote:What do you do for a toil?

I dont need to be an accountant to ask Barista a question, and she doesnt need to be an accountant to answer it.

No, but you pretend you know what you're talking about when you clearly don't






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 Post subject: Re: Hull FC accounts to 31st October 2014
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Jake the Peg wrote:No, but you pretend you know what you're talking about when you clearly don't

Dab

And your contribution to the debate is?

I dont profess to know this or that, i dont squawk about what i do or dont know. I only asked a question






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