Lots of dummy's out of prams . hopefully we can get a run together and get everybody more chilled

Simple, because I wouldn't sack him the day after. Just because I see 3 from 10 as unacceptable doesn't mean I would instantly look to remove him from his post. That's the difference. HTH.

What comments were these then? Because on our board I remember saying i'd have liked him to sign for us.

Indeed.

Oh and just to clarify it wasn't Dave K I replied to or accused of anyhting, thanks.

Can you just clarify what you mean please? Are you saying that if we fail to meet what you consider the bare minimum requirement Radford's job should be safe, or simply that he should then go at the end of the season?

If it's the former, then what sort of bare minimum is that?

If it's the latter (as I suspect), then that doesn't address the point I raised. The timing of him leaving bears no relevance, it's about when the call is made. I was asking if you and another poster (I actually think it was Diogenes who said it, my mistake ) both see tomorrow's game as the point after which to make the decision, why is one of you fickle (changing their mind from week to week, or whatever the precise wording was) and the other not? Both will be using the same game as the culmination point of a longer period over which to judge, not in isolation as the only evidence.

My mistake, apologies for the mistaken ID.

I don't personally see the need for clarification, but i'll go through it again.

For me, the decision should be made at the end of the season based on whether we've made the 8 or not (I think he'll walk if we don't anyway). I think that 22 points will make the 8 (as I stated yesterday). Along the way there should be marker points like the first 10 etc, in this section I deem 3 out of 10 as unacceptable although I wouldn't sack Radford because of it, mainly on the basis that he could still achieve the 22 points needed, although as i've pointed out it makes it far more difficult. The only situation I see the need to make a change is when the 22 points (or getting in the eight) become impossible. The likelihood is that as much as the RFL and some others like to bang on about it, the likelihood of any of the SL bottom 4 being relegated is very slim.
Making the 8 is progress from last year for me, I think i'm being realistic in that opinion.

Thanks.

I can see your point about basing it on making the 8 or not, even though I don't happen to agree. However, I don't then see the point in the 'marker points' and labelling them as the minimum with any less being unacceptable if you're saying they individually have no ultimate bearing on the outcome. Semantics maybe, but when you say 4 from 10 minimum and any less is unacceptable it sounds like you're saying he should go if we don't achieve that, when what you've just said above suggests that it's less the minimum you expect/demand and more an indicator of how likely we are to make the top 8. That's why I asked you to clarify.

And whilst I agree that making the 8 would be progress from last season, there's a very valid argument that it wouldn't necessarily be progress from the situation Radford took over, and he would arguably be reaping the benefit from setting the standards lower because of how poorly we did last year. Outside the 8 is definite he should go for me, getting in it would then depend on whereabouts, the manner of how, and what happens after that. Scraping in with dull rugby and making no impact in the final 8s would be no good, either.

I see where the confusion was, sorry.

The basis of having marker points was strictly on a personal 'no need to panic' basis, as I don't see being 4 from 10 as particularly worrying, especially given the close nature of at least 3 of the other games.
I find it's good to have an overall objective with strategic performance measures within it.


It's only my opinion, but I subscribe to the thought that what was being achieved during Agar's last couple of years and Gentle's two years was as far as we could ever have gone without the complete overhaul of everything at the club that's been going on, especially last year. Therefore, for me last year was starting from scratch and that's why I see making the 8 as improvement.