Post subject: Re: Should those with a income of more than 80k pay for scho
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:51 am
dubairl
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Mintball wrote:Yes.
So you want to be rewarded for having a job that pays you a great deal more than the average wage in the UK.
What i earn isn't exactly a great amount. But it would be nice for people who generally work their booty off not to be punished for earning more than others.
Post subject: Re: Should those with a income of more than 80k pay for scho
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:17 am
Mintball
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Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
dubairl wrote:What i earn isn't exactly a great amount. But it would be nice for people who generally work their booty off not to be punished for earning more than others.
God i love Dubai.
What you earn is, on the basis of what you have suggested here, considerably more than the average UK income of £26,000 per annum.
You are suggesting, by implication, that anyone who doesn't earn that is not – in general – working as hard as you. So for instance, the hospital cleaner and the bin man are, after all, just lazy berks compared to you. Obviously.
You're falling for a classic idea that pay is based on how hard one works. It's not.
Paying for the education of others, via tax, is not being "punished".
And in terms of Dubai, thank goodness that you live in and benefit from a place where nobody (except the terminally lazy, obviously) lives in grinding poverty and something near to servitude, eh?
Incidentally, I note that you have not responded to Cod'ead's comment: were you personally educated in a private school?
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Post subject: Re: Should those with a income of more than 80k pay for scho
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:40 pm
dubairl
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Mintball wrote:What you earn is, on the basis of what you have suggested here, considerably more than the average UK income of £26,000 per annum.
You are suggesting, by implication, that anyone who doesn't earn that is not – in general – working as hard as you. So for instance, the hospital cleaner and the bin man are, after all, just lazy berks compared to you. Obviously.
You're falling for a classic idea that pay is based on how hard one works. It's not.
Paying for the education of others, via tax, is not being "punished".
And in terms of Dubai, thank goodness that you live in and benefit from a place where nobody (except the terminally lazy, obviously) lives in grinding poverty and something near to servitude, eh?
Incidentally, I note that you have not responded to Cod'ead's comment: were you personally educated in a private school?
I earn just over 30,000 obviously that is tax free but living costs are considerably higher here. Where i have gave off the opinion i earn more than that i have no idea.
and no you are coming to your own conclusions mate. People who work but only earn minimum wage have my full respect because there is ways of earning that money with out working. How is me saying people who don't depend on the government deserve some kind of reward saying that minimum wage earns aren't hard workers? Unless you just implying you only earn money if you work hard.
Of course it is, how is it not? the money you earn providing for others? how is taking a considerable amount of money from somebody not punishing them? Majority of the time high tax rates effect middle class people who aren't rich but earn enough to feel comfortable but they still have mortgages and can't pay for the children to have a better education.
maybe you should research on how the government works or even spend some time here to realize 8 out of 10 people here are generally better of than they would be in there home country. There is some local arabs who are not rich and get the benefits from the government such as food and help with there bills, but other nationalities don't get give a passport and in turn don't get a free ride. you either contribute here or you're gone.
I went through private schooling up until the age of 13 and then i went to a public high school but whilst i was at high school my dad was paying in excess of 60,000 pounds in tax so i think he would cover the minimal cost it cost to send me to public school. But i have poor grammar as i have dyslexia not that any of this had anything to do with you.
Anyway lads when is the next protest in favor for Labour happening?
Post subject: Re: Should those with a income of more than 80k pay for scho
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:20 pm
Mintball
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Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
dubairl wrote:I earn just over 30,000 obviously that is tax free but living costs are considerably higher here. Where i have gave off the opinion i earn more than that i have no idea. .
I'm not concerned about what you earn.
You're the one who claims to be the high earner who deserves a reward.
Incidentally, who pays for all the roads and lights and all manner of other things that, presumably, Dubai actually has?
dubairl wrote:... and no you are coming to your own conclusions mate. People who work but only earn minimum wage have my full respect because there is ways of earning that money with out working. How is me saying people who don't depend on the government deserve some kind of reward saying that minimum wage earns aren't hard workers? Unless you just implying you only earn money if you work hard...
Earlier, you wrote:But it would be nice for people who generally work their booty off not to be punished for earning more than others.
If you didn't mean this, then perhaps you should have worded it more carefully.
Because what you have written suggests pretty clearly that people who do not (in general) work as hard as you do, to earn what you do, do not deserve the sort of extra reward that you do for, presumably, working your "booty off".
In other words, that they do not work as hard as you.
dubairl wrote:Of course it is, how is it not? the money you earn providing for others? how is taking a considerable amount of money from somebody not punishing them?
It's called being a member of society.
Perhaps you should consider it sometime.
dubairl wrote:... Majority of the time high tax rates effect middle class people who aren't rich but earn enough to feel comfortable but they still have mortgages and can't pay for the children to have a better education...
Most people have mortgages these days or pay substantial rents in the private sector, because there's F' all council housing left. That's why the housing benefit bill is so high. That's part of the reason that so many people in the UK need benefits even when they are in work.
And the relationship between these things (the rate of pay, the cost of living etc) is why we have massively growing food banks, the Red Cross handing out food parcels and Save the Children spending money in this country rather than merely collecting it.
And the idea should be that everyone gets an education of equal standard. That would be best for the whole of society – not just for the fortunate few.
dubairl wrote:... maybe you should research on how the government works or even spend some time here to realize 8 out of 10 people here are generally better of than they would be in there home country. There is some local arabs who are not rich and get the benefits from the government such as food and help with there bills, but other nationalities don't get give a passport and in turn don't get a free ride. you either contribute here or you're gone...
Indeed. Then I'd know about the Filipinas working for Emirati families as live-in servants for less than US$400 a month, with one rest day a month; or the millions living in work camps and taken by bus into the cities every day in coaches with bars at the windows, wouldn't I?
Still, just as long as you don't have to be punished by paying taxes that contribute toward someone else's education, eh?
dubairl wrote:I went through private schooling up until the age of 13 and then i went to a public high school but whilst i was at high school my dad was paying in excess of 60,000 pounds in tax so i think he would cover the minimal cost it cost to send me to public school. But i have poor grammar as i have dyslexia not that any of this had anything to do with you...
So your father paid for all your schooling, health care etc, plus that of any of your siblings, plus any health care for your mother such as maternity care, for instance (or did she work herself?) out of his taxes? And his father before him did the same for him? Etc etc.
But that's only part of the point: the other part is about everybody contributing to the greater good of society/the nation.
Now, this is obviously a somewhat philosophical subject, but why do you believe that yo0u should be exempt from at least part of that?
dubairl wrote:Anyway lads when is the next protest in favor for Labour happening?
And the point of this is?
dubairl wrote:I earn just over 30,000 obviously that is tax free but living costs are considerably higher here. Where i have gave off the opinion i earn more than that i have no idea. .
I'm not concerned about what you earn.
You're the one who claims to be the high earner who deserves a reward.
Incidentally, who pays for all the roads and lights and all manner of other things that, presumably, Dubai actually has?
dubairl wrote:... and no you are coming to your own conclusions mate. People who work but only earn minimum wage have my full respect because there is ways of earning that money with out working. How is me saying people who don't depend on the government deserve some kind of reward saying that minimum wage earns aren't hard workers? Unless you just implying you only earn money if you work hard...
Earlier, you wrote:But it would be nice for people who generally work their booty off not to be punished for earning more than others.
If you didn't mean this, then perhaps you should have worded it more carefully.
Because what you have written suggests pretty clearly that people who do not (in general) work as hard as you do, to earn what you do, do not deserve the sort of extra reward that you do for, presumably, working your "booty off".
In other words, that they do not work as hard as you.
dubairl wrote:Of course it is, how is it not? the money you earn providing for others? how is taking a considerable amount of money from somebody not punishing them?
It's called being a member of society.
Perhaps you should consider it sometime.
dubairl wrote:... Majority of the time high tax rates effect middle class people who aren't rich but earn enough to feel comfortable but they still have mortgages and can't pay for the children to have a better education...
Most people have mortgages these days or pay substantial rents in the private sector, because there's F' all council housing left. That's why the housing benefit bill is so high. That's part of the reason that so many people in the UK need benefits even when they are in work.
And the relationship between these things (the rate of pay, the cost of living etc) is why we have massively growing food banks, the Red Cross handing out food parcels and Save the Children spending money in this country rather than merely collecting it.
And the idea should be that everyone gets an education of equal standard. That would be best for the whole of society – not just for the fortunate few.
dubairl wrote:... maybe you should research on how the government works or even spend some time here to realize 8 out of 10 people here are generally better of than they would be in there home country. There is some local arabs who are not rich and get the benefits from the government such as food and help with there bills, but other nationalities don't get give a passport and in turn don't get a free ride. you either contribute here or you're gone...
Indeed. Then I'd know about the Filipinas working for Emirati families as live-in servants for less than US$400 a month, with one rest day a month; or the millions living in work camps and taken by bus into the cities every day in coaches with bars at the windows, wouldn't I?
Still, just as long as you don't have to be punished by paying taxes that contribute toward someone else's education, eh?
dubairl wrote:I went through private schooling up until the age of 13 and then i went to a public high school but whilst i was at high school my dad was paying in excess of 60,000 pounds in tax so i think he would cover the minimal cost it cost to send me to public school. But i have poor grammar as i have dyslexia not that any of this had anything to do with you...
So your father paid for all your schooling, health care etc, plus that of any of your siblings, plus any health care for your mother such as maternity care, for instance (or did she work herself?) out of his taxes? And his father before him did the same for him? Etc etc.
But that's only part of the point: the other part is about everybody contributing to the greater good of society/the nation.
Now, this is obviously a somewhat philosophical subject, but why do you believe that yo0u should be exempt from at least part of that?
dubairl wrote:Anyway lads when is the next protest in favor for Labour happening?
And the point of this is?
"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller
"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
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