Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:22 pm
Chris28
In The Arms of 13 Angels
Joined: Oct 19 2003 Posts: 17898 Location: Packed like sardines, in a tin
Not going to celebrate someone's death, even when her children are a crook and a racist, but as George Clooney says in Oceans 13 "it sure as sh/t ain't sad"
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:27 pm
JerryChicken
International Star
Joined: Jul 09 2012 Posts: 3605 Location: Leeds
Durham Giant wrote:Cannot comment on your example but i do know that after the strike the NCB were quite happy to foster conflicts between workers. They often tried to use workers from different p[its to undermine workers who were already employed. I have no doubt that there were petty acts but that is what happens when the unions lost and workers became indavidualised and atomised and scared for their own livelihods.
Moving scabs to different pits and then sacking those who would not work with them.
If shitting in a scabs bait box was all that happened to them they were lucky
These weren't scabs, they were miners who had stood alongside each other on picket lines who then found that their sea pit would not re-open and so were bussed to another on a daily basis as the offered alternative to redundancy, only to find that their "brothers" suddenly weren't acting like "brothers" anymore.
Its understandable in a way, the pits were judged on their efficiency and closed if they became too expensive to operate, if you're suddenly incurring a big increase in your wages bill because you're bringing in five busloads of colliers from the north every day then your pit isn't going to be as efficient as it was - and more importantly your own overtime and your production bonuses go with it.
Its all about money, the brotherhood of the union was just a sham.
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:29 pm
Homer
International Chairman
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Lets face it. this was the one subject that the sin bin has been built on since the day rlfans went live, Thatchers demise would have always had this thread, it's had enough starters in the past to know where it would go.
Sarcasm helps keep you from telling people what you really think of them.
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:30 pm
Mintball
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Joined: May 10 2002 Posts: 47951 Location: Die Metropole
Adeybull wrote:Indeed.
Except I see numerous people blaming Thatcher for things that happened under, and were the responsibility of subsequent (or sometimes earlier) governments. I wonder how many of those people have "commented" (I use that term loosely) based on direct personal experience of that era - and the dreadful few years before then - and how many are just repeating what they have been told or choose to believe?
And with that, I am definitely out of here again, indefinitely, before I am physically sick.
Brilliant. 'I ask questions - and then I eff off before anyone can challenge the points I raise, and I say that I'm not coming back.'
Or 'cowardice', as most people would call it.
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:31 pm
cod'ead
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SaintsFan wrote:Very few, I should imagine.
You imagine wrongly then
The older I get, the better I was
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Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:37 pm
Homer
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 09 2001 Posts: 8840 Location: South [and now West ]of the M62 by 500 miles
SaintsFan wrote:If you think those suffering with mental health problems were better looked after in the old asylum system then I would ask whether you have ever worked in one? I did. In Carlisle. While care in the community was a disaster in some ways, the asylum system was already a disaster in many more ways. My boss, the unit manager at Garlands Hospital, had to regularly rotate his nursing and auxiliary staff in order to avoid abuse because getting people who actually CARED about those they were paid to look after was very, very difficult. There were indeed some very devoted nurses in that unit who worked very hard to make life comfortable for those who were often extremely challenging as a result of their illnesses, but they were not the majority of staff. And the conditions in which clients lived were far from comfortable even though, in the case of Carlisle, they were surrounded by lovely countryside and still pretty much outside the city walls (which is where many asylums were built - out of sight; out of mind). There was much wrong with the asylum system. Some wasn't fixed by care in the community and indeed new problems were added, but retaining the asylum system for all mental health sufferers was most definitely not the way to go.
As I said it was a flawed system but it was showing light coming from the days of medicated and many other deeper and disturbing controls, however the wholesale plunder of every valuable asset to be cloaked under the guise of CiC is still by far any away the biggest reason I have to hate the woman, hate virtually everything she stood for, and deride those who went along with her for the financial gains available, then and subsequently, regardless of whatever colour of politics are supposedly adhered to. Yes this comes from personal experience both within and outside the asylum system of that period.
Sarcasm helps keep you from telling people what you really think of them.
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:39 pm
The Video Ref
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Joined: Feb 29 2004 Posts: 4195
Adeybull wrote:My only input onto this thread, and this forum: how many on here, dancing on Thatcher's corpse, were old enough to vote in 1979? And therefore, by definition, to appreciate the situation in this country when Thatcher was voted into office?
Probably very few.
But this is The Sin Bin, where Tory = bad.
Many on here have been awaiting this day for years. And are now wetting their panties with excitement.
Post subject: Re: Ding Dong the wicked witch is dead...
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:41 pm
Soldiers in Blue
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Joined: Feb 13 2005 Posts: 719 Location: Bury St Edmunds
Thatcher was 'Marmite', you either loved her or hated her and many people have very personal reasons on which they base their opinion. Unfortunately, many others will base their opinion not on experience or understanding having weighed up the arguements. Rather they will jump on bandwagons, fire up the outrage buses and say what they think others want to hear.
Personally, I'll stick with the quote attributed to Martin Luther King Jr:
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
The "Iron Lady", gone but not forgotten (by anyone).
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