why not? if this is such a big deal which will mean the collapse of ukplc (i'm sure their was similar nonsense spouted by the tories when the spectre of the minimum wage raised it's head), plunging untold millions into despair while still lining the pockets of the 'privileged few', then surely asking us what we want is the least they can do.

every 4/5 years we allow members of society who are 1 step away from needing to be watered every day put a little x in a box to elect some shyster who thinks the public should pay for her husband to watch porn or have his moat cleaned. so, why not have a referendum and let the people speak?

It shows that the Conservatives are in a total mess, which was pretty much what people predicted as the coalition was formed. Shapps is a loathsome individual with no real grasp of reality, I had the misfortune of meeting him when he was Housing Minister.

Is this the same Grant "Get rich quick" Shapps? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09978.html

Is this the same Grant "Get rich quick" Shapps? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09978.html

The picture of Shapps in the linked-to article is fairly typical: a looked of bemused ignorance.



Other members of cabinet who always have the same expression are:



George Osborne - always looks like he's just shat his pants



Jeremy Hunt - always looks as if someone has just stuffed a broomstick up his ar[is[/ie and quite often seems like he's enjoying the experience

After reading the Daily Mail's latest story relating to a judgement by the European Court of Human Rights, I despair that the people of this country are intelligent enough to be able to make an informed choice when it comes to a referendum. Most of the comments following the story are clamouring for us to leave the EU. Few if any commentors realise that the EU and ECHR are seperate entities.