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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:24 pm 
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Durham Giant wrote:You are the one accusing everyone else of having a conspiracy theory because we do not have the full facts.

When you have to resort to insults you have really lost the arguement.

Please tell us why those who still think there is a lot of information to come out are conspiracy theorists which is where the argument started.

You just keep changing the nature of the discussion

Look, when you post such utter tripe it's only worthy of insults.

But hang on - so do I think there's a conspiracy, or am I accusing you of thinking there's a conspiracy? You seemed to be muddled because you've said two different things in your last two posts.

Anyway, I've covered it several times in intimate detail. You and rumpelforeskin both claim not to believe there is some conspiracy or cover-up and that you are above such theories, yet you both continue imply some conspiracy or cover-up in every post you make.

If you don't understand by now or are choosing to ignore my posts to just carry on banging away with this question, there's no point bothering. Go back, read what I've said to you and rumpelforeskin and let it soak in.

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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:41 pm 
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I have been clear in that i do not have enough information about a number of matters which i keep asking you about
What was her Mental Health
Were there other factors that contributed to her suicide
did management deal with it properly.

You seem to think these are not important issues. Most reasonable peole would before they jump on a bandwagon.

If they are important say so, if you know the answers say so, if you think we do not have this information then surely you agree there is more information to come out.

It is simple really it is just you dont seem to understand it

It is simple. Answer the questions and stop accusing everyone else of being a conspiracy theorist.

I notice that you did not answer the comment about you defending a racist South African killing three people who raped his daughter when he did not even have a daughter.






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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:51 pm 
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What a ridiculous thread, indicative of the pathetic nature of The Sin Bin these days.

For what it's worth, I kind of agree with DG and rumpelstiltskin in that there are likely to be more to come out in this. No cover-ups, conspiracies or any of that sort of tinfoil hat rubbish. Simply more facts to give a clearer picture of why it was this woman ended up doing what she did. Personally I don't believe being on the receiving end of this prank was the reason (or sole reason, at least) behind it. I don't think that's an unreasonable opinion to hold and certainly not one of a conspiracy theorist...

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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:19 pm 
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rumpelstiltskin wrote: From a Master Debater such as you, that is a very valid point......

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Durham Giant wrote:When you have to resort to insults you have really lost the arguement.

You two need to pay closer attention to your hymn sheet!

Durham Giant, to Cronus wrote:Please tell us why those who still think there is a lot of information to come out are conspiracy theorists which is where the argument started.


Who said they were? Those “who still think there is a lot of information to come out” are numpties, because they are doing no more than stating the bleedin’ obvious, as if it was some marvellous insight.

Whereas the conspiracy theorists, OTOH, are those suggesting a conspiracy.

It is (obviously) possible to be in both categories, but the two are equally obviously not both the same thing; as you are having endless trouble understanding this, those who think there is a lot of information to come out, might also be chicken sexers. But it doesn’t inevitably follow.






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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:21 pm 
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Durham Giant wrote:I have been clear in that i do not have enough information about a number of matters which i keep asking you about
What was her Mental Health
Were there other factors that contributed to her suicide
did management deal with it properly.

You seem to think these are not important issues. Most reasonable peole would before they jump on a bandwagon.

If they are important say so, if you know the answers say so, if you think we do not have this information then surely you agree there is more information to come out.

It is simple really it is just you dont seem to understand it

It is simple. Answer the questions and stop accusing everyone else of being a conspiracy theorist.

I answered your questions on page 17.

You ignored it.

For the third time - do you actually read what you're responding to?

Quote:I notice that you did not answer the comment about you defending a racist South African killing three people who raped his daughter when he did not even have a daughter.

WTF? You're dragging up something from 18 months ago? What planet are you on? Tell you what, if you can find where I said EXACTLY that I'll answer it. Until then wind your neck in.

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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:27 pm 
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rumpelstiltskin wrote: let's start with my opinion on page 15, "That there was more to his (about this tragic woman) and it would all come out in the wash." Which prompted …the rather bizarre observation of I'm sure you do, but what, if you're implying you have a good idea? I have already seen nutty conspiracy theories that the nurse was assassinated and it's all a cover-up, but then nowadays it is de rigueur for the lunatics to come out of the asylum for a while whenever there's a good conspiracy to be theorised.


Liar, It was your WHOLE original post “which prompted” my comment on what you had posted. You are trying to squirm out by suggesting I was referring to that sentence in isolation, when you bloody well know it wasn’t. That last bit was on the end of:
Quote: “Their apparent failure to follow long established protocols regarding access and Media intrusion to members of the Royal Family, could now be conveniently forgotten in the witch hunt fanned by a post Leveson Press, all eager to display their "lessons have been learned credentials"

My second one; what reasonably normal person kills themselves over a work incident,

Now stop being disingenuous and selectively quoting your own drivel. Those were and are YOUR WORDS, in the same post. It was your post, READ AS A WHOLE, that prompted my observation.

In the whole post you said:
You wrote:My first thoughts on hearing about this incident was "what a stroke of luck for the Hospital Authorities!"

As well as being a bizarre first thought, it’s obvious what you’re implying. You are using a basic literary device which screams to the reader, “NO, THIS WAS NO STROKE OF LUCK FOR THE HOSPITAL, HOW NAÏVE YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE TO BELIEVE THAT”
You wrote: My second one; what reasonably normal person kills themselves over a work incident"

Clearly meaning you don’t believe, however she died, that she killed herself over a work incident. Taken together, you think it was a very convenient death for the hospital (because, you said, their failures “could now be conveniently forgotten in the witch hunt ..”).

Coupled with your first thought, it is crystal clear what you are suggesting, and it is in that context that your closing remark is explained. The above is what you actually SAID..

rumpelstiltskin wrote: FA then returns to his task of Straw Man building with In the face of the bleedin' obvious, I find completely speculative suggestions that she may have been killed to be the worst sort of baseless conspiracy speculation of which so many seem to be so fond'

Whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that it is only him and Cronius, who are banging on ad naueum about any kind of conspiracy! 'Kin unbelievable!


Well, let’s pause for a moment, so you can tell me what you actually MEANT, if not the above.

My breath is bated.






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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:27 pm 
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Kosh wrote:Good article. And I'd agree with where the greatest responsibility lies as well.

I feel that some of the reaction, at least, has been OTT. And on the radio this morning I heard that there are now fears that the female DJ could harm herself as a result of the responsibility she feels. I think it would be better for everyone to draw breath and stand back a little before this spirals completely out of control.



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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:20 pm 
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Oh well, the post mortem result states that the nurse hanged herself. A note from her for her family was also found at the scene. There can be no debate about her death being a suicide now.






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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:29 am 
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A bit more detail in the Mirror about why the family are so angry at the hospital:
Quote:Nurse Jacintha Saldanha wrote three emotional notes revealing the anguish that led to her suicide after she was duped by two Aussie DJs into believing they were royalty.

In one, the distraught mum-of-two outlines how she struggled to come to terms with the prank call by Mel Greig and Michael Christian to the hospital where pregnant Duchess Kate was being treated for severe morning sickness.

But in another she ­criticises senior colleagues at the King Edward VII hospital over her ­treatment after the pair had pretended to be the Queen and Prince Charles asking about the ­duchess’s condition. That note is said to have left her family furious.
full report: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-middleton-prank-call-royal-1488880
A bit more detail in the Mirror about why the family are so angry at the hospital:
Quote:Nurse Jacintha Saldanha wrote three emotional notes revealing the anguish that led to her suicide after she was duped by two Aussie DJs into believing they were royalty.

In one, the distraught mum-of-two outlines how she struggled to come to terms with the prank call by Mel Greig and Michael Christian to the hospital where pregnant Duchess Kate was being treated for severe morning sickness.

But in another she ­criticises senior colleagues at the King Edward VII hospital over her ­treatment after the pair had pretended to be the Queen and Prince Charles asking about the ­duchess’s condition. That note is said to have left her family furious.
full report: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-middleton-prank-call-royal-1488880






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 Post subject: Re: Kate Middleton
PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:46 am 
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Well, well. Informed comment predicted there would be more to come out in the wash, and we now find out that there were three seperate suicide notes left by this disturbed person.

The longest of which is reported as a massive whinge against the Hospital Authorities. I do hope this doesn't set off the usual suspects on another knee jerking 20 page conspiracy diatribe....

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