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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:59 pm 
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kirkstaller wrote:Where there is a conflict?

Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.


So debate is totally pointless with you.






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The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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kirkstaller wrote:Tell me, how do you tell what is and isn't moral?


If your god told you to kill me would you do it?






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Sheldon wrote:So debate is totally pointless with you.


Sorry for not abandoning my faith. I'm only emulating Jesus.

I wish you well.

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Big Graeme wrote:If your god told you to kill me would you do it?


Yes.

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kirkstaller wrote:Yes.


And that proves beyond doubt that you are a sociopath.






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Big Graeme wrote:And that proves beyond doubt that you are a sociopath.


It's unbelievable and scary, if it wasn't god mentioned but the invisible booty monkey the police would look into it.






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The Reason wrote:Hi Andy

The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
 
 
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kirkstaller wrote:Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.


And their is the crux of the problem with religious fundamentlism, all critical thought and reason goes out of the windowand is instead replaced by blind dogmatism.

It is this line of thought which leads to the subjugation of women and provides "justification" for the killing of other humans who do not belong to the same faith or who dare to question it that particular faith.






"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

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I've somehow managed to stay out of this debate so far, having lived in the US (Colorado, to be specific, home of the well known pillar of morality Rev. Ted Haggard) this sort of thing has been a fairly frequent bar room conversation for me.

Now, in this case I originally thought kirkstaller was trolling, then I thought he was serious, then back to trolling and now I've come to the sad realisation that he is probably serious after all.


kirkstaller wrote:Where there is a conflict?

Yes. I'd rather stick with the God's unchanging Word than gamble with the fickle opinions of scientists.


This is the beauty of science, that it can and does change. In fact it constantly wants to change, redefine and improve on its ideas based on new evidence. If the world was happy to take the 'unchanging word' of a god then we would be stuck in the dark ages. Think of all the great things that are now available to you in everyday life that you owe to 'fickle scientists': cars, planes, medicine, the Internet, computers. Not to mention the vast amounts knowledge that the last century alone gave us. We have been enriched as a species by the quest for knowledge and understanding of the world around us. Please don't allow yourself to be satisfied with the 'unchanging word' of some bronze age scribblings. Even the brightest minds in the world really had no idea what was going on back then when compared to what the average person can discover today, if only they have the willingness to open their eyes and look.

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Isn't there something in the AUP against this kind of thread?

Is 'Gods unchanging word' the one that has changed on many occasions down the years then? You know... losses and gains in translation, English version being different from other language versions in some respects, all that kind of thing?






God is nothing more than an imaginary friend for grown ups.

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More likely men in white coats.






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