peggy wrote:and the best most reliable motor cars Which brands are the most reliable? In fact, to save you time here are the 10 most & least reliable: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/ Notice the number of Germans cars there? No German ones in the Top 10 MOST reliable. The reliability of German cars has become as much a myth as the perceived superiority of British cars, etc in the 1960s. There is no basis in reality. Or this if you prefer: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... again.html

peggy wrote:and the best most reliable motor cars Which brands are the most reliable? In fact, to save you time here are the 10 most & least reliable: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/ Notice the number of Germans cars there? No German ones in the Top 10 MOST reliable. The reliability of German cars has become as much a myth as the perceived superiority of British cars, etc in the 1960s. There is no basis in reality. Or this if you prefer: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... again.html

that's because they are made in england

They were pretty flexible back in 2003 at relaxing the rules when their budget deficit exceeded the 3% of GDP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16761087

They were pretty flexible back in 2003 at relaxing the rules when their budget deficit exceeded the 3% of GDP. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16761087

So apart from Hegel, dialectics, and gassing the economicaly unproductive, what have the Germans ever done for us?

Given us a laugh on Eurotrash.

Off the top of my head?

Luther, Grünewald, Bach, Schubert, Haydn, Handel, Bach (there was more than one), Beethoven, Schumann, Wagner, Strauss (Richard), Brahms, Mahler, Neitzche, Schopenhauer, Kant, Marx, Brecht, Weill, Eisler, Grass, Mann (Thomas and Hienrich), Dietrich, Lang, Pabst, Goethe, Schiller, The Brothers Grimm, Dürer, Kraftwerk, Gutenberg ...

That's off the top of my head. And it ignores science and medicine, of which I have limited knowledge. But every one of those have influenced culture way beyond the boundaries of the German lands.

Kuntz.

Provided much John Motson hilarity in 1996.

And a great cover from 90 Minutes in the same year: 'Jammy Kuntz'.

Marx - was that Groucho or the lad from London?

Kraftwerk - I once saw them live. The Beatles they were not.

The Marx in question was from Trier - and his work on capital is being reassessed in recenyears as a lot of his analysis/predictions seems to be coming to fruition.