So you in all your wisdom doesn't know a better way , but you want the encumbants at Red Hall to find one for you , sorry you've lost the argument

Your deliberate confusion is boring. You see had you actually read the conversation between myself and rupert bear instead of jumping in with both feet, trying to score points, you wouldnt look like such a silly old man.

Lets take it in baby steps for you

Lets put an end to it before your deliberate confusion to hide your idiocy derails another thread.

I didnt suggest there was a better way, didnt suggest i knew of a better way, didnt suggest i expected red hall to go and find a better way, simply refuted a direct statement saying I would only be in favour of SC changes which benefited expansion sides by saying i would also be in favour of changes which which made the SC work better for heartland sides.

and that's the end of that one..

And who do they, by and large, go on to play for in the championships? Is it the local heartland clubs by any chance? That doesnt sound like a bad thing for the local championship clubs, it seems like an advantage for them

except they dont, a huge amount of players in the championships are players that have come from SL academies, that is the advantage a club like Leigh gets, a decent youngster gets picked up by a local SL club, goes through an SL academy, with SL coaches, SL nutrionists and SL sports scientists playing at a higher level, with and against better players, and as such, even those who come back down to championship level are better players than they would otherwise would be, and clubs Leigh are at an advantage when looking to sign them for no other reason than their location.

we can but hope.

No, I don't. THe Crusaders suffered form all those issues. They could have been "saved" if their backer had been who he was argued to be but he wasn't.



You must have been avoiding forums for the last four years then because I certainly did say that and I was far from the only person. Even people with no interest in RL e.g. ex-Warriors fans were saying that. The mailbags of all the trade papers and mags were full of people saying this. How you could not have noticed I don't know.



Not at all. The RFL chose to be bloody stupid. Very many fans chose to blindly follow the RFL but many others could see exactly where it would end up.



My post does not imply anything of the sort. It is common sense that a club that requires £2 million a year injected into it is less sustainable than one that requires £500k. Both would be screwed without backers but one will find it easier to find a backer. Anyone with half a brain can see this.



There was, any Wrexham FC fan would have told you the same (and they did make this point on Totalrl.com at the time).

Wrexham Crusaders had little in common with Celtic Crusaders. Moss merely bought the SL licence that Samuel had been given by the RFL for free. Crusaders had no assetts.

If they dont have it, they don't spend it. It really is as simple as that. I havent once suggested they should be forced to spend the money, or that they should spend it if they dont have it. Simply that if it is available, they are allowed to spend it.

If they don't have it, they will spend it anyway. That's the lesson of rugby league management since the 1960s and why the salary cap was brought in for the lower leagues. Crusaders are a perfect example of why this rule needs to be enforced for expansion clubs as well as heartlands ones; nobody forced them to spend more than they could afford but they did so anyway.

The cap should be a percentage of revenue or even take into account available funds from outside but it should still exist otherwise we'll go to the era of clubs spending 95% of revenue on player wages and selling their grounds to make up their losses.

But it is not simple, most businesses base and governments base their growth and often existence and governance on money they do not currently have. Capital debt markets would cease to exist if this were not true.

If they do not have the money available how can they spend it?

yet Crusaders, like Wakefield, like Widnes and countless others before them went bust whilst operating under a salary cap system. The SC has proven a very very poor tool for stopping clubs going bust, it hasnt, and wont, stop clubs spending more than they can afford. Regardless of having an SC or not we need to trust clubs, whether they be Leigh, Halifax, SWS, or Northampton to be run viably and sustainably. We shouldnt be letting Northampton in if we believe the people running the club wont run it sustainably, the SC isnt set at a level which means sustainability for Northampton, the SC is an absolutely arbitrary amount to Northampton, sticking to the current SC wont make them viable, giving them a £70k allowance over it wont stop them being viable.