FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home The Sin Bin State Sponsored Slavery



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 354 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 ... 36  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:41 pm 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Feb 26 2002
Posts: 14522
Location: Online
SBR wrote:They all appear to be referring to the short term and as we are in the middle of a recession it's hardly surprising. The claim was that over the last 30 years income has fallen against the cost of living.

It could be argued (indeed, has been argued) that low wages can cause recession.
It's a valid point, if people don't have money then either a) they don't buy or b) they borrow to buy.






Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice.
Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:06 pm 
International Star
New Signing

Joined: Nov 12 2011
Posts: 48
OOOOOOOOhhhh sorry for having an opinion.... sorry if it goes against some of your thoughts, but why should someone on benefits be allowed to claim and earnmore than someone doing a full weeks/months work for doing nothing for either the community or the economy. not made up but fact i know of one individual who in benefits and other allowences "earns" £1856 per month, and does nothing for it! how do i know because this scrounging individual is a cousin, one i add i have no respect for. our welfare system breeds idleness and corruption, i have no doubt many people deserve the system, but they should also have an incentive to get out of it too.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:12 pm 
International Chairman
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Feb 20 2002
Posts: 1437
Location: Leigh, where else?
liedetector wrote:OOOOOOOOhhhh sorry for having an opinion.... sorry if it goes against some of your thoughts, but why should someone on benefits be allowed to claim and earnmore than someone doing a full weeks/months work for doing nothing for either the community or the economy. not made up but fact i know of one individual who in benefits and other allowences "earns" £1856 per month, and does nothing for it! how do i know because this scrounging individual is a cousin, one i add i have no respect for. our welfare system breeds idleness and corruption, i have no doubt many people deserve the system, but they should also have an incentive to get out of it too.


I watched the TV programme on BBC 2 about the Welfare State a few weeks back. One married couple, both unemployed, with three kids got in total £21000 per year in benefits (that included their housing benefit).

I sat down and worked out our family earnings. I work 37 and 1/2 hours per week, my wife who does non paid voluntary work and we have four kids. Including the family tax credits I get I was less then £1000 per year better off then the family in the programme and I have more kids to provide for.

I'd argue that it's not benefits that are necessarily too high, it's rubbish wages that are far too low. However it does annoy me that if I gave up my crappy paid job and decided that it isn't worth working like the people in the programme I wouldn't get any dole money!






"If the American people knew tonight, exactly how the monetary and banking system worked, there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
-Abraham Lincoln

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:10 pm 
Player Coach
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: Nov 19 2005
Posts: 2359
Location: Marys Place, near the River, in Nebraska, Waitin' on A Sunny Day
liedetector wrote:OOOOOOOOhhhh sorry for having an opinion.... sorry if it goes against some of your thoughts, but why should someone on benefits be allowed to claim and earnmore than someone doing a full weeks/months work for doing nothing for either the community or the economy. not made up but fact i know of one individual who in benefits and other allowences "earns" £1856 per month, and does nothing for it! how do i know because this scrounging individual is a cousin, one i add i have no respect for. our welfare system breeds idleness and corruption, i have no doubt many people deserve the system, but they should also have an incentive to get out of it too.


For me that'll be when they find a cure for rheumatoid arthritis. That'll be my incentive to "get out of it".






A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves himself.

When you rescue a dog, you gain a heart for life.

Handle every situation like a dog. If you can't Eat it or Chew it. Pee on it and Walk Away.


"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. " Anuerin Bevan

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:32 pm 
All Time Great
All Time Great
User avatar

Joined: May 10 2002
Posts: 47951
Location: Die Metropole
liedetector wrote:OOOOOOOOhhhh sorry for having an opinion...


OOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (see, we can all go OTT), sorry for having an opinion about your opinion.

That's the way debates and discussion and free speech work.






"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller

"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

The Voluptuous Manifesto – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:36 pm 
International Chairman
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Dec 22 2001
Posts: 14845
LeighGionaire wrote:I watched the TV programme on BBC 2 about the Welfare State a few weeks back. One married couple, both unemployed, with three kids got in total £21000 per year in benefits (that included their housing benefit).

I sat down and worked out our family earnings. I work 37 and 1/2 hours per week, my wife who does non paid voluntary work and we have four kids. Including the family tax credits I get I was less then £1000 per year better off then the family in the programme and I have more kids to provide for.

I'd argue that it's not benefits that are necessarily too high, it's rubbish wages that are far too low. However it does annoy me that if I gave up my crappy paid job and decided that it isn't worth working like the people in the programme I wouldn't get any dole money!


As the average family gets ca. GBP 22,000 spent on them per annum by the State (per Robertson's programme on BBC 2 tonight) then I don't think anyone should complain.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:08 am 
International Board Member
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Aug 12 2002
Posts: 5064
Location: Not Didcot
Mintball wrote:If that's down to the recession alone, then why isn't it impacting on those at the very top too?

I have access to Google – here's another search: 'falling Uk wages 30 years'. There's plenty.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=s ... -gaU_Ny7Dg


Taking the first hit, from the TUC:

Quote:Those higher up the income scale have enjoyed a more rapid rise n living standards than those in the bottom 60 per cent of the income distribution, while the super-rich have secured themselves a personal wealth boom on a scale not seen since the end of the nineteenth century.


Some people have benefited more than others.

The third result shows that incomes have risen but sadly does not correlate that with the rise in the cost of living.

Again, yes, income inequality has increased (I've never disputed that), but where is the evidence to backup up the claim that "everyone apart from those at the very top, have seen their incomes fall against the rising cost of living over the last 30 years"?
Mintball wrote:If that's down to the recession alone, then why isn't it impacting on those at the very top too?

I have access to Google – here's another search: 'falling Uk wages 30 years'. There's plenty.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=s ... -gaU_Ny7Dg


Taking the first hit, from the TUC:

Quote:Those higher up the income scale have enjoyed a more rapid rise n living standards than those in the bottom 60 per cent of the income distribution, while the super-rich have secured themselves a personal wealth boom on a scale not seen since the end of the nineteenth century.


Some people have benefited more than others.

The third result shows that incomes have risen but sadly does not correlate that with the rise in the cost of living.

Again, yes, income inequality has increased (I've never disputed that), but where is the evidence to backup up the claim that "everyone apart from those at the very top, have seen their incomes fall against the rising cost of living over the last 30 years"?






(23:25:06) Thecko: who'd want to rent a book?
(23:25:10) Thecko: oh, libraries :oops:

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:09 am 
In The Arms of 13 Angels
In The Arms of 13 Angels
User avatar

Joined: Mar 08 2002
Posts: 26578
Location: On the set of NEDS...
LeighGionaire wrote:I'd argue that it's not benefits that are necessarily too high, it's rubbish wages that are far too low.


And you'd find many here who would agree with that.

Part of the issue is the cost of housing, reduce that and you'd reduce a great deal of the need for wage rises and reduce the welfare bill too.






Image


ebay's Rugby League Bargains ¦ Boost Your eBay Sales ¦ Recommended Amazon Stuff ¦ Get a Free Ink Cart!!! ¦ Quins RL T-Shirts, BRAND NEW DESIGNS

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:37 am 
All Time Great
All Time Great
User avatar

Joined: May 10 2002
Posts: 47951
Location: Die Metropole
http://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/hro/news/10 ... west-world

http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/h ... iving.html

We know that the cost of housing has risen to crackpot levels – £125,000K for a basic, one-bed flat if you're a 'key worker' now in Hackney, for instance. How many 'key workers' earn over £41K per annum? Let alone how many non-key workers can afford double that for a one-bed flat.

We know that people now have to pay tuition fees where once they didn't. We know that domestic utility bills are going through the roof. We know that many (in England at least) have to pay for prescriptions where once they didn't. We know that dental and eye care cost far more than they used to. We know that the cost of transport has risen massively.

These are not luxuries. These are basics. And incomes would have had to have risen a lot to have kept pace.

BTW SBR – perhaps you could find something to show just how pay has risen to mitigate all these rising costs?

'How young need twice salary of their parents to match the lifestyle'.
http://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/hro/news/10 ... west-world

http://www.financialadvice.co.uk/news/h ... iving.html

We know that the cost of housing has risen to crackpot levels – £125,000K for a basic, one-bed flat if you're a 'key worker' now in Hackney, for instance. How many 'key workers' earn over £41K per annum? Let alone how many non-key workers can afford double that for a one-bed flat.

We know that people now have to pay tuition fees where once they didn't. We know that domestic utility bills are going through the roof. We know that many (in England at least) have to pay for prescriptions where once they didn't. We know that dental and eye care cost far more than they used to. We know that the cost of transport has risen massively.

These are not luxuries. These are basics. And incomes would have had to have risen a lot to have kept pace.

BTW SBR – perhaps you could find something to show just how pay has risen to mitigate all these rising costs?

'How young need twice salary of their parents to match the lifestyle'.






"You are working for Satan." Kirkstaller

"Dare to know!" Immanuel Kant

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" Elbert Hubbard

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

The Voluptuous Manifesto – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: State Sponsored Slavery
PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:45 am 
Club Coach
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Feb 18 2006
Posts: 18610
Location: Somewhere in Bonny Donny (Twinned with Krakatoa in 1883).
Lots of people have been able to ride out and offset these effects because they pay low interest rates on their mortgages, but after a few years of this that lower mortgage has been factored in and got used to. No money has been set aside probably.
If the interest rates go up to double current rates and little else changes, then the faeces will hit the fan.






War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

Thank God I'm an atheist.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 354 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29 ... 36  Next





It is currently Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:15 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Scarlet Pimpernell and 49 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Sun Nov 10, 2024 4:15 am
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
3702
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
Film game
karetaker
5152
58s
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
135
59s
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3517
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
3702
1m
Is Eamon OCarroll off Yes New Coach Thread
tigertot
133
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40518
1m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2505
2m
Transfer Talk V5
Trebor1
424
4m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2545
13m
Paladin Sports
orangeman
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Will Brough gone
vastman
2
TODAY
The Brick Stadium ownership update
Azul
8
TODAY
Rhinos Ladies
MjM
8
TODAY
Squad contract dates
Trojan Horse
12
TODAY
Paladin Sports
orangeman
5
TODAY
Magic Weekend
Wollo-Wollo-
2
TODAY
War of the Roses
Or thane
17
TODAY
Dual Reg
PopTart
2
TODAY
Vagana
Scarlet Pimp
10
TODAY
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
6
TODAY
2025 merchandise
18th Man
12
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
7
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
7
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Fantastic Mr
29
TODAY
New Kit
karetaker
62
TODAY
Memorable Games
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
628
England's Women Demolish The W..
569
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
868
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
676
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
965
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1459
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1698
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1963
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1543
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1808
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2179
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1736
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1821
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1961
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2134
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024 3 England M34-16Samoa M
WINT2024 2 ENGLAND W82-0WALES W
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
3702
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
47s
Film game
karetaker
5152
58s
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
135
59s
Recruitment rumours and links
Wires71
3517
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Tarquin Fueg
3702
1m
Is Eamon OCarroll off Yes New Coach Thread
tigertot
133
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40518
1m
Rumours thread
Trojan Horse
2505
2m
Transfer Talk V5
Trebor1
424
4m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2545
13m
Paladin Sports
orangeman
5
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Will Brough gone
vastman
2
TODAY
The Brick Stadium ownership update
Azul
8
TODAY
Rhinos Ladies
MjM
8
TODAY
Squad contract dates
Trojan Horse
12
TODAY
Paladin Sports
orangeman
5
TODAY
Magic Weekend
Wollo-Wollo-
2
TODAY
War of the Roses
Or thane
17
TODAY
Dual Reg
PopTart
2
TODAY
Vagana
Scarlet Pimp
10
TODAY
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
6
TODAY
2025 merchandise
18th Man
12
TODAY
NBR Does Smithers have a hangover
Smithers99
7
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
The Whiffy K
11
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
11
TODAY
Sky tv deals
karetaker
7
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Fantastic Mr
29
TODAY
New Kit
karetaker
62
TODAY
Memorable Games
Jake the Peg
12
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
giddyupoldfe
119
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
628
England's Women Demolish The W..
569
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
868
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
676
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
965
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1459
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1698
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1963
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1543
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1808
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2179
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1736
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1821
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1961
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
2134


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.