Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:11 pm
Mild Rover
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Roverswall wrote:Right just so everyone is aware we are getting annoyed by the fact that certain posters are either ignoring the mods on this board or deliberatly playing dumb. IWe had enough now so warnings are going to start being issued for folks who are mixing up the two 'Dobson/Mason' threads.
I'd just like to lend my support to this. If you're not sure, err on the side of caution and use the other thread.
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Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:12 pm
Scott_HKR
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Mrs Barista wrote:Given what's gone on and that Mason is currently without portfolio, stuck in East Hull, presumably unable to train with the squad, how motivated do you think he will be to bust a gut for Rovers if he is re-registered? FWIW I believe you describe a feasible scenario, but James Smailes said on RH tonight that their information was that Mason had played his last game for Rovers. I personally think Mason's been a bit "done to" in this scenario. He was keen to get here and went to Tonga to speed things up, has done all the club appearances etc asked of him, played as many minutes as asked and been a bit cross at being taken off on a couple of occasions, and now finds himself unable to ply his trade. For all that people say he might be OK to kick his heels and take the cash, at 31 he seems keen to play and Rovers administrative oversight re Galea's passport have made that impossible.
Surely Rovers can feel hard done to that the Tongan government has fallen through?
Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:32 pm
Mrs Barista
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Scott_HKR wrote:Surely Rovers can feel hard done to that the Tongan government has fallen through?
Possibly, but simple root cause analysis shows that all this stems from the incorrect judgement on Galea's Maltese passport. If Rovers had got that right, they would have either not signed Mason to start with, or offloaded another overseas player to accommodate him. All I'm saying is that of all the parties involved here, Rovers, governments, RFL etc, Mason has seemingly done everything asked of him and come out of it the wors, at least at present, as he is effectively being restrained from plying his trade despite being fit and willing to do so. Now, maybe he's not bothered whilst he's being paid, and maybe he'll go to Toulon for a whole pile of cash so will just enjoy the summer either here or in France or back home, who knows, but whilst some are a bit huffy about it and saying things like "If he doesn't want to play for us he can sod off", I think, despite people at one time thinking he was likely to create trouble for others, it's actually not panned out like that at the moment, anyway.
Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:44 pm
SirStan
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Mrs Barista wrote:Possibly, but simple root cause analysis shows that all this stems from the incorrect judgement on Galea's Maltese passport. If Rovers had got that right, they would have either not signed Mason to start with, or offloaded another overseas player to accommodate him. All I'm saying is that of all the parties involved here, Rovers, governments, RFL etc, Mason has seemingly done everything asked of him and come out of it the wors, at least at present, as he is effectively being restrained from plying his trade despite being fit and willing to do so. Now, maybe he's not bothered whilst he's being paid, and maybe he'll go to Toulon for a whole pile of cash so will just enjoy the summer either here or in France or back home, who knows, but whilst some are a bit huffy about it and saying things like "If he doesn't want to play for us he can sod off", I think, despite people at one time thinking he was likely to create trouble for others, it's actually not panned out like that at the moment, anyway.
In my line of business, I wouldn't accept your root cause analysis report. You have failed to probe deep enough when concluding incorrect judgement with Galea & the Maltese passport. Before concluding (aportioning blame?) further probing is required into what went wrong in his application. Without knowing that, it cannot be assumed that Rovers misjudged the situation.
Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:49 pm
WormInHand
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Ok. The scenario is that Willie will be impotent on the sidelines unless he is re-registered or goes to Toulon (for hopefully a decent transfer fee to make it all worthwhile).
I understand that Toulon need the good old Tongan passport for this to be worthwhile otherwise they'll use a valuable quota place that they can't afford. Still over to you then, Hudge, to make it happen?
Or, once he get's the passport ('cos that's still clearly paramount for either situation, KR or Toulon) - would it still be worth keeping him even if it means de-registering another?
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Post subject: Re: The sensible, forward-looking Mason/Dobson thread
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:51 pm
Anakin Skywalker
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WormInHand wrote:Ok. The scenario is that Willie will be impotent on the sidelines unless he is re-registered or goes to Toulon (for hopefully a decent transfer fee to make it all worthwhile).
I understand that Toulon need the good old Tongan passport for this to be worthwhile otherwise they'll use a valuable quota place that they can't afford. Still over to you then, Hudge, to make it happen?
Or, once he get's the passport ('cos that's still clearly paramount for either situation, KR or Toulon) - would it still be worth keeping him even if it means de-registering another?
If is passport arrives we wont need to de-register another.
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