Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:23 am
Judder Man
Player Coach
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j.c wrote:or hes one of those who cares about the whole rugby league and not just super league.
Exactly, in my opinion we aint got expansion we've got fragmentation.. I care more about the national game more than any other because this is the gateway for revenue streams. OK we can accept Great Britain breaking up to get the funding from Sporting England, but the RFL will not be satisfied until they see 2 french clubs and 2 welsh teams in superleague, they have also back pedalled on the overseas quota and currently by my estimate there are 140+ overseas palyers in Superleague. This "expansion model" is not sustainable as this drastically reduces the no of English players available for national selection.
So for me Nige and Rickys "expansion" means fragmentation, shrinkage of national selection and possible future lower attendances in superleague.
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you. Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.
Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:01 pm
Richie
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 17134 Location: Johannesberg, South Africa
Judder Man wrote:Exactly, in my opinion we aint got expansion we've got fragmentation.. I care more about the national game more than any other because this is the gateway for revenue streams. OK we can accept Great Britain breaking up to get the funding from Sporting England, but the RFL will not be satisfied until they see 2 french clubs and 2 welsh teams in superleague, they have also back pedalled on the overseas quota and currently by my estimate there are 140+ overseas palyers in Superleague. This "expansion model" is not sustainable as this drastically reduces the no of English players available for national selection.
So for me Nige and Rickys "expansion" means fragmentation, shrinkage of national selection and possible future lower attendances in superleague.
So now, by "everything" you actually just mean the England team? then add a bit of guess work about what the RFL want SLE to do?
Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:08 pm
SmokeyTA
Club Owner
Joined: May 24 2006 Posts: 22777
j.c wrote:or hes one of those who cares about the whole rugby league and not just super league.
yet the amateur game is better funded than it has EVER been. Richard lewis has just sourced £30m funding which goes SOLELY to the amateur game. To say the grass roots of the sport have been ignored is absolute nonsense, They are thriving,
there is RL being player where RL was never played before, outstanding grass roots development in the midlands, south and london. The Amateur game is thriving now nationwide.
The championships dont represent the grass-roots of the sport, they represent themselves, a group of private businesses running RL clubs of a higher level than the amateur game and a lower level than SL.
maybe the championships will start to thrive when some clubs management and some clubs fans realise the game owes them nothing and that what they achieve and their sustainability is down to their hard work, their innovation, their skills and the magic silver bullet of SL money is just a distraction.
If a championship club is wants to and is capable of being an SL club, they will be. Meeting 'criteria' isnt an issue, its a distraction for those who dont really understand the process. A capable and well run championship club will become an SL club because if they are capable and well run they will achieve what they need to achieve as a by-product of being capable and well run
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Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:26 pm
Leaguefan
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 9721 Location: Cougarville
Saintsnut wrote:You are unable to climb the ladder because you don't meet the requirements to be in SuperLeague, you are a feeder team and not a very good one.
and IF the rules for the last franchise round had been applied fairly neither would Saints (lost yet another bucket of cash AGAIN) nor others have been in SL either!!!
regards
and ENJOY your sport
Leaguefan
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Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:34 pm
Leaguefan
International Chairman
Joined: Dec 22 2001 Posts: 9721 Location: Cougarville
SmokeyTA wrote:yet the amateur game is better funded than it has EVER been. Richard lewis has just sourced £30m funding which goes SOLELY to the amateur game. To say the grass roots of the sport have been ignored is absolute nonsense, They are thriving,
there is RL being player where RL was never played before, outstanding grass roots development in the midlands, south and london. The Amateur game is thriving now nationwide.
The championships dont represent the grass-roots of the sport, they represent themselves, a group of private businesses running RL clubs of a higher level than the amateur game and a lower level than SL.
maybe the championships will start to thrive when some clubs management and some clubs fans realise the game owes them nothing and that what they achieve and their sustainability is down to their hard work, their innovation, their skills and the magic silver bullet of SL money is just a distraction.
If a championship club is wants to and is capable of being an SL club, they will be. Meeting 'criteria' isnt an issue, its a distraction for those who dont really understand the process. A capable and well run championship club will become an SL club because if they are capable and well run they will achieve what they need to achieve as a by-product of being capable and well run
If ONLY!!!!!
Watch the number of amateur leagues in the coming season. See how many teams
a) Fold b) Get points deducted for not fulfilling fixtures due to player shortages.
Read the BARLA website and all the local league news you can. You think there is infighting at the pro level
If there is £30 mill up for grabs you can bet your life that somehow, someway the Hetheringtons of this sport will get a slice, maybe not directly but they will.
I agree that that the game is expanding and that can only be good news but the game still has major faults and papering over the cracks dosn't mean the foundations are solid.
regards
and ENJOY your sport
Leaguefan
"The Public wants what the Public gets" - Paul Weller
Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:35 pm
SmokeyTA
Club Owner
Joined: May 24 2006 Posts: 22777
Leaguefan wrote:and IF the rules for the last franchise round had been applied fairly neither would Saints (lost yet another bucket of cash AGAIN) nor others have been in SL either!!!
if you understood the rules, even a little, you would know this not to be true
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bUsTiNyAbALLs wrote:Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.
vastman wrote:My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.
Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:49 pm
SmokeyTA
Club Owner
Joined: May 24 2006 Posts: 22777
Leaguefan wrote::wink: If ONLY!!!!!
Watch the number of amateur leagues in the coming season. See how many teams
a) Fold b) Get points deducted for not fulfilling fixtures due to player shortages.
Read the BARLA website and all the local league news you can. You think there is infighting at the pro level
If there is £30 mill up for grabs you can bet your life that somehow, someway the Hetheringtons of this sport will get a slice, maybe not directly but they will.
I agree that that the game is expanding and that can only be good news but the game still has major faults and papering over the cracks dosn't mean the foundations are solid.
I have no doubt that if there is a way to politicise an issue, cause a ruckus, the f@ck it up Barla would be more than capable of doing so.
The game does have faults, sadly those faults are the same faults that were in evidence ten years ago, and ten years before that. However slowly but surely the old stagers are losing their grip on the sport and we are fixing these problems
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bUsTiNyAbALLs wrote:Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.
vastman wrote:My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.
Post subject: Re: When do Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis retire?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:38 pm
Judder Man
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 29 2007 Posts: 6767 Location: Now in Enemy Country
As there are a lot of indifferences on this debate, can I suggest we submit our own individual proposals to make the game more stable, stronger and attractive to sponsors etc. etc. etc.
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you. Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.
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