Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:05 pm
Barnacle Bill
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Gordon Gekko wrote:In this instance the car industry gives its return to the taxpayer in jobs, which generates income from taxation on the employees as well as profits from the business.
True, and the same circumstances would apply in this respect on a smaller, local level although perhaps less directly since taxation on income (or profits) does not go to the council.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:29 pm
Gordon Gekko
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Barnacle Bill wrote:True, and the same circumstances would apply in this respect on a smaller, local level although perhaps less directly since taxation on income (or profits) does not go to the council.
Sorry i'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. The only return HCC could get is on income from lease or rental, be it from Hull KR or any other organisation that could make use of the facilities.
The only way any stadium improvemnts could work imho, is if an agreement similar to the one at the KC is put in place.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:35 pm
Barnacle Bill
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Gordon Gekko wrote:Sorry i'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. The only return HCC could get is on income from lease or rental, be it from Hull KR or any other organisation that could make use of the facilities.
The only way any stadium improvemnts could work imho, is if an agreement similar to the one at the KC is put in place.
Indirectly, the development could increase income to the council by providing jobs (people off benefits and paying council tax) or safeguarding jobs (people not needing to claim benefits). Helping to keep businesses in business and paying business rates.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:41 pm
Sandro II Terrorista
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Are we now saying that the whole future for Hull, economically speaking, rests on the council buliding Rovers a new stand?
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:43 pm
Robbo4
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rover49 wrote:You got a 25k stadium you are never likely to fill apart from a derby on the back of some appalling attendances in your SL years at the Boulevard, check the stats, you had attendances WAY below anything we have had since promotion, this is when you where in the top 6 on a regular basis, in fact your attendance virtually doubled as soon as you moved to the KC.
To be so arrogant as to think that you can get a 100% increase with a new stadium with good facilities, but we couldnt get what would amount to a mere 25% increase to reach a 10k average with similar facilities is typical of the deluded attitudes of some FC fans, probably most of whom have never seen the inside of the Boulevard.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:00 pm
rover49
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Robbo4 wrote:WTF? So we own the KC now do we?
Where have I said that, the fact is that you are in a stadium at ratepayers expense that IF the same rules had applied as some posters are suggesting they should, with regards to attendances at CP, then back when it was built the KC should NEVER have been built so big as according to some FC fans on here its would be impossible for a club to increase attendances by 25% (let alone by 100%) with a new ground with improved facilities, when in fact it's been proven that it can be done (by yourselves) when attendances increased from an average of around 6,500 to almost 13,000.
The other inference being made is that we cannot fill the one we have got, so why should we have a new ground, well once again, you were not even half filling the Boulevard for the preceding three seasons to the KC move, while we are at 80% capacity each game.
I am therefore arguing that it would be relatively easy for Hull KR to go from 8,100 average in a ground with below avarage facilities to 10,000 average in a new ground with excellent facilities. I realise there will have to be some payback to the council as there is with you and Hull City, but we at least deserve the chance to progress seeing as the other two professional clubs in the city have been given the chance to at an initial capital cost to the ratepayers of ALL of Hull.
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Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:40 pm
retro_muz
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rover49 wrote:Where have I said that, the fact is that you are in a stadium at ratepayers expense that IF the same rules had applied as some posters are suggesting they should, with regards to attendances at CP, then back when it was built the KC should NEVER have been built so big as according to some FC fans on here its would be impossible for a club to increase attendances by 25% (let alone by 100%) with a new ground with improved facilities, when in fact it's been proven that it can be done (by yourselves) when attendances increased from an average of around 6,500 to almost 13,000.
The other inference being made is that we cannot fill the one we have got, so why should we have a new ground, well once again, you were not even half filling the Boulevard for the preceding three seasons to the KC move, while we are at 80% capacity each game.
I am therefore arguing that it would be relatively easy for Hull KR to go from 8,100 average in a ground with below avarage facilities to 10,000 average in a new ground with excellent facilities. I realise there will have to be some payback to the council as there is with you and Hull City, but we at least deserve the chance to progress seeing as the other two professional clubs in the city have been given the chance to at an initial capital cost to the ratepayers of ALL of Hull.
However...... go steady on the crowd increase topic, you see only Rovers fans come out the woodwork or jump on bandwagons...... apparently!
Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:00 pm
Sandro II Terrorista
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Barnacle Bill wrote:Yes, that's right. That's exactly what we're saying.
Thanks for the clarification.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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