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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:50 am 
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Mild Rover wrote:Private investors wouldn't have been likely to offer a similar deal to tenants though, I think it is fair to say, so it was a de facto subsidy. Rovers did reject the same offer, and if that offer remains on the table, it does make the case a little less compelling. While certainly the cheapest, Rovers moving to the KC doesn't strike me as the best option - and not just from Rovers' POV - I think it could very definately be a case of three's a crowd. Still, it is a strong argument for a impoverished council, if they renew the offer - either in good faith or playing chicken.


Seems a shame to have to kick Hull City out just because they're a lower division side.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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hkrdavidhkr wrote:dude you are a hypocrite mate
.. fact
kc paid for by 43million of public funding from the sale of shares from kc owned by hcc.
this was then public funding.
43 million was then spent on the building of the kc.... fact
two teams use and have earned profit from the use of this stadium.... fact
both these two teams are private businesses...FACT
so both teams have earned profits on the back of public funding..FACT
...........
DID HULL FC PAY FOR THEIR OWN EXPANSION ?
no they didn`t...... fact
...............
so please before opening your mouth do think things through.


Ha ha. What a geek.

You do realise that FC pay rent dont you? You also realise that the Council still own the stadium dont you? You do realise that Hull KR were offered the exact same terms as Hull FC dont you?

Now start thinking things through a bit more. There is a big reason why nobody outside of East Hull cares about this, I am going to let you in on a little secret. Hull KR is not the only thing in the World that is in need. There are children who need educating (count yourself in on that), there are people who need operations and treatment, there are houses falling down all over the City, the roads have big pot holes in them, there is dog crap everywhere, there are empty shops all over the town and probably most importantly the risk of flooding again has still not been eradicated. Hull City Council do not give a stuff about building a new stadium or improving one that is used by a minority of people and by a club that should be able to bring it up to a minimum level of safety on it's own.

You have to go back to School in a few weeks and the other lads will rip you to bits if you keep acting like such a little biatch :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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Everybody cut down on the personal insults please. It is an emotive issue with arguments to be made on both sides, but let's do it maturely.

Relatively maturely.






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Mild Rover wrote:Everybody cut down on the personal insults please. It is an emotive issue with arguments to be made on both sides, but let's do it maturely.

Relatively maturely.


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pmh wrote:gingerspice said I was a mental, true, but still made me cry. Got salt on me shoes now, they've gone all crusty like if you've been out in the snow.

Does anyone know how to clean them or shall I have to get an injury lawyer to sue for a new pair?


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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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Funny how the same people that deplore the apparent favouritism the council has for hull fc in providing them with a posh ground are probably the same who wouldn't even entertain the prospect of Rovers playing there.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Craven Park developed and expanded into a SL standard ground, and I think there probably is scope for the council to invest in some of the improvements or at least help open certain opportunities to gain funding, but all those who who are deluded enough to believe that we're somehow 'owed' a stadium from the council because we didn't fancy playing at the one they built, need a reality check I'm afraid.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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Digger_the_Dog wrote:Ha ha. What a geek.

You do realise that FC pay rent dont you? You also realise that the Council still own the stadium dont you? You do realise that Hull KR were offered the exact same terms as Hull FC dont you?

Now start thinking things through a bit more. There is a big reason why nobody outside of East Hull cares about this, I am going to let you in on a little secret. Hull KR is not the only thing in the World that is in need. There are children who need educating (count yourself in on that), there are people who need operations and treatment, there are houses falling down all over the City, the roads have big pot holes in them, there is dog crap everywhere, there are empty shops all over the town and probably most importantly the risk of flooding again has still not been eradicated. Hull City Council do not give a stuff about building a new stadium or improving one that is used by a minority of people and by a club that should be able to bring it up to a minimum level of safety on it's own.

You have to go back to School in a few weeks and the other lads will rip you to bits if you keep acting like such a little biatch :lol:



you are obviously not very well educated either
too make assumptions of a persons age and then throw insults based on this assumption is just sad and obviously a sign of a lack of moral standards due to a deprived upbringing.
to assume that no one outside of east hull gives a damn as you put is also a failed assumption on your part. for a start i don`t live in east hull.

and now lets go to the points raised in your last rant.
1 flooding
is this the responsibility of the local authority?
did the local authority make it rain hard for 3 days straight?
is the local authority responsible for the sewage system and water dispersal?

2 houses falling down
this is due to many years of bodged repairs etc made to these properties, plus added to this is the fact that houses were built to such poor standards from the 1960`s onwards.
even now houses are built to very low standards.

3 pot holes
in part a local authority pays for the upkeep of the roads but it is also done in conjunction with the central goverment and if they don`t release funds to carry out repairs then repairs don`t get done.

4 dog crap
this is not the responsibility of the local authority but is in fact down to the owners of the animals themselves who should clean up after them.

5 children who need educating
this is a mute point in regards it can be put down to a multitude of of differing reason the biggest being kids nowadays having no wish to learn or be taught but rather add to the low social structure that exists all over the city.

6 health.
again this is a mute point as the failure of the NHS can also be put down to many reasons, but still they throw countless billions into the NHS which ultimately gets wasted.

7 empty shops
again many reason cover this, but the biggest has to be the rise of the huge supermarkets offering cheaper alternatives to being forced to buy the same produce at extortionate prices as used by a lot of these shops.
............
and now to the topic at hand again.
yes the kc is owned by the hcc who formed the smc to run the day to day operations of the stadium rather that have to deal with the day to day operations themselves.

yes hull fc pay rent as they signed a very long lease which included paying a peppercorn rent for the use of the stadium..

yes hull kr were offered the same terms
AND RIGHTLY SAID NO.

the pitch is often left in poor condition now due to having two teams use it and a third would likely destroy it totally.
and as they cannot afford to relay it that often due to the costs then adding a third team would be bad for business.

and now i`ll throw you a hypothetical question
.
if the KC had been built in east hull and it was hull city and hull kr that was the main tennants
would you abandon your teams own roots and go play in the same stadium as your closest rival knowing that this has been their home for many years?
and i would say that 90% of that teams supporters would say no just because of the bitterness that so obviously exists between the rival fans when it comes to their colours.

..
and now lastly...
of what safety standards are you referring
and be very carefull of your answer.
because as a frequent visitor to NCP i can tell you there is nothing wrong with the safety standards.

if you are refferring to the sign incident of a couple of years ago, then i can tell you for a fact that that was handled well and correctly. i was underneath that incident at the time.
and as someone who works in the sign trade, that is always a risk of using signs of any particular form or structure ranging from plastics to steelworks.
and that incident was caused by using a foamex plastic sign that in my opinion was incorrectly fastened for its elevation and a combination of both age and weather conditions contributed to the incident in question.
these same risks are encountered at every stadium and ground in the world that uses these sorts of signs and it can happen at any time also. this includes the kc stadium which also uses this type of plastic sign.

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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:07 pm 
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hkrdavidhkr wrote:you are obviously not very well educated either
too make assumptions of a persons age and then throw insults based on this assumption is just sad and obviously a sign of a lack of moral standards due to a deprived upbringing.
to assume that no one outside of east hull gives a damn as you put is also a failed assumption on your part. for a start i don`t live in east hull.

and now lets go to the points raised in your last rant.
1 flooding
is this the responsibility of the local authority?
did the local authority make it rain hard for 3 days straight?
is the local authority responsible for the sewage system and water dispersal?

2 houses falling down
this is due to many years of bodged repairs etc made to these properties, plus added to this is the fact that houses were built to such poor standards from the 1960`s onwards.
even now houses are built to very low standards.

3 pot holes
in part a local authority pays for the upkeep of the roads but it is also done in conjunction with the central goverment and if they don`t release funds to carry out repairs then repairs don`t get done.

4 dog crap
this is not the responsibility of the local authority but is in fact down to the owners of the animals themselves who should clean up after them.

5 children who need educating
this is a mute point in regards it can be put down to a multitude of of differing reason the biggest being kids nowadays having no wish to learn or be taught but rather add to the low social structure that exists all over the city.

6 health.
again this is a mute point as the failure of the NHS can also be put down to many reasons, but still they throw countless billions into the NHS which ultimately gets wasted.

7 empty shops
again many reason cover this, but the biggest has to be the rise of the huge supermarkets offering cheaper alternatives to being forced to buy the same produce at extortionate prices as used by a lot of these shops.
............
and now to the topic at hand again.
yes the kc is owned by the hcc who formed the smc to run the day to day operations of the stadium rather that have to deal with the day to day operations themselves.

yes hull fc pay rent as they signed a very long lease which included paying a peppercorn rent for the use of the stadium..

yes hull kr were offered the same terms
AND RIGHTLY SAID NO.

the pitch is often left in poor condition now due to having two teams use it and a third would likely destroy it totally.
and as they cannot afford to relay it that often due to the costs then adding a third team would be bad for business.

and now i`ll throw you a hypothetical question
.
if the KC had been built in east hull and it was hull city and hull kr that was the main tennants
would you abandon your teams own roots and go play in the same stadium as your closest rival knowing that this has been their home for many years?
and i would say that 90% of that teams supporters would say no just because of the bitterness that so obviously exists between the rival fans when it comes to their colours.

..
and now lastly...
of what safety standards are you referring
and be very carefull of your answer.
because as a frequent visitor to NCP i can tell you there is nothing wrong with the safety standards.

if you are refferring to the sign incident of a couple of years ago, then i can tell you for a fact that that was handled well and correctly. i was underneath that incident at the time.
and as someone who works in the sign trade, that is always a risk of using signs of any particular form or structure ranging from plastics to steelworks.
and that incident was caused by using a foamex plastic sign that in my opinion was incorrectly fastened for its elevation and a combination of both age and weather conditions contributed to the incident in question.
these same risks are encountered at every stadium and ground in the world that uses these sorts of signs and it can happen at any time also. this includes the kc stadium which also uses this type of plastic sign.


:lol:

You forgot Number 8 .

8 - Hull KR, a club that has posted losses year on year. A club that has been given a stadium by the Council, way before the KC was built and built in the location they wanted it, East Hull. A club that since it's entry into Super Dooper League has decided to invest in playing staff instead of pay it's bills leading to CCJ's and various rumours of financial trouble.

I can see why you think the Council should be bailing them out again by giving them ANOTHER new stadium. :roll:

And finally, Hull FC paying a peppercorn rent? You really ought to research things before you post because if that is a peppercorn rent then I am a big homosexual.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:33 pm 
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Digger_the_Dog wrote::lol:

You forgot Number 8 .

8 - Hull KR, a club that has posted losses year on year. A club that has been given a stadium by the Council, way before the KC was built and built in the location they wanted it, East Hull. A club that since it's entry into Super Dooper League has decided to invest in playing staff instead of pay it's bills leading to CCJ's and various rumours of financial trouble.

I can see why you think the Council should be bailing them out again by giving them ANOTHER new stadium. :roll:

And finally, Hull FC paying a peppercorn rent? You really ought to research things before you post because if that is a peppercorn rent then I am a big homosexual.



No they weren't., we got the land fairly cheap but we were not given a stadium, the funds came from the sale of the old Craven Park

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 Post subject: Re: Hull KR fans demand council investment in Craven Park
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[quote="Digger_the_Dog"]:lol:

You forgot Number 8 .

8 - Hull KR, a club that has posted losses year on year. A club that has been given a stadium by the Council, way before the KC was built and built in the location they wanted it, East Hull. A club that since it's entry into Super Dooper League has decided to invest in playing staff instead of pay it's bills leading to CCJ's and various rumours of financial trouble.

I can see why you think the Council should be bailing them out again by giving them ANOTHER new stadium. :roll:

And finally, Hull FC paying a peppercorn rent? You really ought to research things before you post because if that is a peppercorn rent then [b][b]I am a big homosexual

at least you got something right :lol:

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