very amusing some of the crap the pies are coming out with is hilarious
i.e super league is now boring cause you never know who will win a game and the smaller teams have a chance of winning the league now
boo hooo were not winning everything now

quoted from one pie fan

post wrote: Yes. teams are scared of playing rugby because of the consequences of one mistake.

Add to that refs dissallowing perfecty good tries due to obstruction??????? when it is clearly not and them going to the screen for every try exept when its against wigan. They should make the salary cap half of what you earn and not cap it at 1.6million. If Wigan made 6 Milion they could only spend the same as Huddersfield who were making 3.6 million.

The salary cap was put inplace to stop clubs going bust, that works but now it is to dillute the comp and through that players and teams aren't getting any better.

For Instance Ben Westwood 5 years ago was centre for Whitehaven and now he is in the 'Elite England Squad'. Ha ha ha Ben Westwood is crap!!!!!!!! Same with Fa'asavalu, no skill whatsover he is just muscle and that aint enough to beat the aussies.

If the salary cap only allowed the clubs to spend half of what they eraned you would get better teams e'g Wigan,St Helens, Leeds, Warrington. Hull Kr and Hull FC etc and if you have a good side with superstars in and you add to that young british players they will improve ten fold rather put them in an average team in an average league where anyone can beat anyone because the temas in the league are made up of average steady percentage based teams who play boring rugby.

They say teams can blood youngsters with the relegation being scrapped but if a team in the league say salford weren't making much money due to them having a small fan base and not making enough money to get the right players they would be bottom of the league and you could blood the youngsters against them as well as challenge cup games.

Change the salary cap so teams can spend half of what they earn and that is it because clubs aren't getting rewarded for making profits etc.

Communism at its finest!!!!!



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It is quite funny how Wigan fans come out with things like this when Lindsay and Whelan were all in favour of the cap. Indeed most owners are as it gives them a nice easy excuse not to spend money. Maybe we should do away with the cap though so Wigan can go millions into debt. They can once again spend absurd amounts of money that they dont have, only this time they may not have a sugar daddy to bale them out, and go bankrupt like they very nearly did the last time.

The humbles really are the man united of RL you either love em or you hate em

My reply was in response to Prestwich Red.


Which clubs.
Do you go to what Celtic can afford and set the cap at that.
Do you go to what Leeds can afford and set the cap at that.

If you chose the former, what do you think will happen to a lot of the players?

We can't have the tail wagging the dog. Make it a percentage of income, it's fair and it gives clubs incentive to grow.

It's all well and good saying that but you go into a situation like that and the clubs with more money push on while the others are left behind.

Let's say this ridiculous idea comes about - the teams who have more turnover have the advantage straight away. They sign all the best players which, in turn, leads to better performances on the pitch and further leads to increases in ticket sales, merchandise and so on.

At the same time the clubs at the other end of the spectrum don't have the money to compete when signing the better players and they lose all of their promising younger players because the teams at the top can snap them up with their higher budget. The teams are crap compared to the teams full of superstars at the top and this leads to tonkings on the pitch, falling attendances, etc.

Saying that a club can spend a percentage of their turnover is the same as saying that we should have no cap at all - it's just dressed up differently. While it isn't saying that you can spend exactly what you want, it's still an issue of we've got more and we are going to spend more.

Honestly, the idea is laughable.

For any Wigan fans reading this the idea of the Salary cap was to level off the game, under the old system before Super League there was one full time team who for some strange reason were winning everything but ended up £4m in debt. They had to sell their own ground and jump in bed with a Football Fanatic who used the rugby Club to get what he wanted from Wigan council. History lesson over, fast forward to today, more teams are competing this year Super League attendances are on the up because some matches are not predictable anymore (well the odd few) we have a good crop of youngsters coming through and the England team is comprised of 11 different clubs not 3 or 4 which has failed over the last twenty years.
Let wigan spend over the cap they have already done it on 3 occasions once to escape relagation, but if you spend too much you have no ground to sell to wipe out the debt and it could be curtains but forward thinking is not something i would expect from the Pie Dome, look around even with the cap some clubs still announce end of year losses. Salford has never gone over the salary cap and is held up by the Rugby League as a well run club.

I am in favour of the salary cap but set at levels that all clubs can afford themselves.
A percentage of revenue is the correct tool to do that. I am not advocating a spend as you want system.

If all clubs could only spend to the minimum a la Celtic and Quins, do you think Myler, Tomkins, Westerman etc would be in Rugby League?

You still are a bitter pie eater cos you dont win trophies now aren't you.
Tell you what just cos you are Wigan we will also put you on Sky every other week and give you the largest percentage of the money....
Hang on
As for deciding the cap you take the clubs together and work out a figure that can be afforded by all clubs so they can then spend up to that amount.
3 million in Oz is working as they have a much more competitive league than ours added to the fact the clubs are now blooding more youngsters.

A simple by product of an equal salary cap is that the clubs who have the greater amount left after the cap is taken into account have more left to invest be that on the facilities or if done properlley in the youth development system. And therefore they grow more anyway.

An eqaul cap is the fair way as is proved down under.