DaveO wrote:Not quite.

It depends whether the status of Richards, Bailey and Feka changed from "overseas player" to "federation trained" due to them being here before the new rules were introduced in 2008. That concession came in after the one that got TL off the overseas player list, they just have to apply for it I believe.

So our overseas players for 2010 potentially will be

Amos Roberts (also a quota player)
Mark Riddell (also a quota player)
George Carmont (non-quota)

So that is three out six overseas slots used up and two quota slots used up.

The quota players are potentially

Bailey (but federation trained, so not one of the six overseas players)
Phelps (also one of the six overseas player if signed)
Smith (also one of the six overseas players if signed)

So that would use up all five quota slots were they to re-sign and two more of the overseas player slots meaning we are now at five quota and five overseas players.

The non-quota and non overseas players are:

Feka (Samoan and qualifies as federation trained)
Richards (Irish and qualifies as federation trained).

So if we re-signed all our current "foreign" players who are off contract (Bailey, Phelps, Smith and Carmont) we could still sign one more overseas player but he would have to be a non-quota player.

If Phelps leaves then we could sign two more overseas players but only one can be an Aussie (quota) player.

If Bailey and Phelps leave we could still only sign two overseas players (because Bailey is not classed as an overseas player) but both could be Aussies (because Bailey frees up a quota spot despite not being classed an overseas player!).

If Bailey, Smith and Phelps leave it is three overseas players, all three of which could be Aussies.

And if all four out of contract players leave then we could sign four overseas players three quota and one not.

I think that is correct.

Dave

DaveO wrote:Not quite.

It depends whether the status of Richards, Bailey and Feka changed from "overseas player" to "federation trained" due to them being here before the new rules were introduced in 2008. That concession came in after the one that got TL off the overseas player list, they just have to apply for it I believe.

cadoo wrote:But the rules only apply to players who were signed before 2007 (when the new laws were introduced) whose contracts have been renewed/extended.

Only Pat Richards, Feka Paleaasina and Phil Bailey were signed before the new laws were made.

Quote:Pat Richards is the only one to have an extension after the new rules were introduced so currently will count on neither.

Quote:Phil Bailey will still count on the overseas quota even though he was signed prior to 2007 as his contract was agreed before the new rules were made. Only when he comes off contract (this year) could he count as a non federation player.

Quote:Feka Paleaasina still counts as an overseas trained player because he was signed before the rules were implemented and is still on that contract. Once that contract ends and should we re-sign him , he will also not count on any quota.

DaveO wrote:Agreed.



And for 2010 which is what I thought we were on about, if we gave Bailey an extension he would qualify as Federation trained.



Which is effectively what I said in my previous post. Bailey would free up a quota spot if he left but if he was given a new deal he would not count as an overseas player.



Feka is the interesting one for 2010 then. If he counts next season as an overseas player like Carmont does, then you can deduct one less overseas player slot available from my previous post.

So it becomes:

If we re-signed all our current "foreign" players who are off contract (Bailey, Phelps, Smith and Carmont) we can't sign any overseas players.

If Phelps leaves then we could sign one more overseas player and he can be an Aussie (quota) player.

If Bailey and Phelps leave we could sign two overseas players and both could be Aussies.

If Bailey, Smith and Phelps leave it is three overseas players, all three of which could be Aussies.

And if all four out of contract players leave then we could sign four overseas players three quota and one not.

Dave

cadoo wrote:Aye that is all correct.

DaveO wrote:I just edited it as I thought it wasn't !

Dave

SiY wrote:I think thats right. For me i'd let Bailey and Smith go. Allowing us one quota and one overseas player. I'd let an academy player come into the fray to replace the space Bailey left. Concentrate on getting a classy quota player. How about a good french man for prop and spend the quota on a crackin oz halfback??

andyed-wiganrl wrote:Mossop, Fellous, and Orford / Lockyer will do me fine

wigan_knight wrote::shock: