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gpartin wrote:Wigan 66 Hull 6 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby_league/s/1060947_wigan_66_hull_6

"Jeered off last week after their performance against Huddersfield, Wigan were given a standing ovation after thrashing the visiting Challenge Cup finalists.

And it proved to be just what It was just what the doctor ordered for Brian Noble's players who responded with five tries in the first half, with three coming inside the opening quarter as Hull were torn apart."


Were you at that match? An amateur side would have beat Hull that night. :lol: I don't think the boos had anything to do with it, as proved by the week after the match with quotes from Noble and the players who 'did it for themselves'.
gpartin wrote:Wigan 66 Hull 6 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby_league/s/1060947_wigan_66_hull_6

"Jeered off last week after their performance against Huddersfield, Wigan were given a standing ovation after thrashing the visiting Challenge Cup finalists.

And it proved to be just what It was just what the doctor ordered for Brian Noble's players who responded with five tries in the first half, with three coming inside the opening quarter as Hull were torn apart."


Were you at that match? An amateur side would have beat Hull that night. :lol: I don't think the boos had anything to do with it, as proved by the week after the match with quotes from Noble and the players who 'did it for themselves'.

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After listening to Cullen :P :P on boots and all i hope we put 100 on them. the obnoxious git .

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RB wrote:Were you at that match? An amateur side would have beat Hull that night. :lol: I don't think the boos had anything to do with it, as proved by the week after the match with quotes from Noble and the players who 'did it for themselves'.


The Wigan players went into that match to prove a point, Hull were poor but if Wigan went into every match wanting to prove a point we'd be much better than 3/10






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DaveO wrote:So the key to your argument is the acceptance of Leeds and Saints dominance. That may be true at the moment in practical terms but as a general principle the idea is to get to 1st or 2nd.

You can't form a general principle that you only need to get into the top 4 because no one else is as good as those two.

Had we won the games we thought we ought (i.e. only losing to Leeds and Saints) we would still be in with a shout of that. We are not now because we have already lost 7 games.

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For this season the pragmatic approach is to do just that.


As for the general principle that you only need to get into the top 4, then that is correct. Under the current rules (which incidentally I don't support), then you do.



I agree with your last point and indeed have made this already.






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XBrettKennyX wrote:For this season the pragmatic approach is to do just that.


It is IMO ultimately futile. The horse has bolted.


Quote:As for the general principle that you only need to get into the top 4, then that is correct. Under the current rules (which incidentally I don't support), then you do.


So there is no advantage of finishing 1st or 2nd? If there is an advantage you have to start each season aiming for 1st and 2nd and to do that means what you need to do now is no different than pre the play off system which is get results from day 1 and be consistent.

I also think any side that doesn't do this will, even of they make the top four, not be good enough to win the thing. A consistent league performance says much about the actual quality of the side and inconsistent sides will 99 times out of 100 not get the GF. I'd like a better chance than that and the only we we are going to see Wigan in a GF is if they start the season well and keep it up IMO.

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DaveO wrote:It is IMO ultimately futile. The horse has bolted.




So there is no advantage of finishing 1st or 2nd? If there is an advantage you have to start each season aiming for 1st and 2nd and to do that means what you need to do now is no different than pre the play off system which is get results from day 1 and be consistent.

I also think any side that doesn't do this will, even of they make the top four, not be good enough to win the thing. A consistent league performance says much about the actual quality of the side and inconsistent sides will 99 times out of 100 not get the GF. I'd like a better chance than that and the only we we are going to see Wigan in a GF is if they start the season well and keep it up IMO.

Dave


The starting well argument doesn't really matter as long as you do improve, at this point last season Saints where 5/10 and many had the knives out about them being finished - but after that a 24 game unbeaten run (only Wigan took a point off us before the GF) saw us finish top clearly and win the CCup...

I appreciate we have had previous form too improve last seasn but Wigan have shown in this season against Saints and much more against Bradford (for all their woes you are the only team to slap them) that you can play good rugby.

From a Wigan POV I do agree with all the Noble out people though, as soon as you can get a good quality replacement otherwise I can't see you winning anything unless something drammatically changes before that.






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